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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:33 pm

andresnol wrote:
Urs wrote:With Hive we wanted to add a counterpoint to the geekery image. The UI failed this, so we're working on a new UI for Hive.
This. One of the main reasons why Serum is so popular and why UI research deserves as much attention as filters etc.

Don't get me wrong - Hive has a great UI that is very fast and easy to use. It's just that the space-ship-type looks position it too much in the dance/techno music niche. It was meant to be that, but we hadn't foreseen how the possibilities provided by the ModMatrix have broadened Hive's scope, e.g. because effect parameters can be targeted and pretty much everything that has a knob. It has become much more than just a supersaw synth for trance music. It appeals to enthusiasts of modular synthesis just as much. Hence we're looking for more "mature" visuals.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:41 pm

electro wrote:
Urs wrote: The concepts for Zebra3 require a lot of research (as do the planned additions to Diva and the modular range)
DIVA already covers a tremendous amount of ground. What else is getting added? That alternative Volta GUI is genius.

We won't change the UI much because I think it's very iconographic as it is.

We'll add some revised algorithms, maybe an early ladder filter that's better suited for mono sounds, maybe faster envelope options. On top we've got plans for some new models, mostly filters and maybe oscillators, think Synthex, Polivoks, classic diode ladders or 700S. Not sure which ones we'll do and when, but there's certainly some room for improvements.

- Urs

mcbpete · Post by **mcbpete** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:46 pm

Urs wrote:think Synthex, Polivoks, classic diode ladders or 700S.

ohmygoshyes - any, all, amazing

Klinke1 · Post by **Klinke1** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:53 pm

electro wrote:
Klinke1 wrote:RePro needs a "hex" and an open discussion about what to put in there...included at least 232 posts with suggestions. And then these ideas must ripen for 1,5 years ... at least.
The good thing about emulating a synth is that you just use the features of the original. No mystery, no surprises.

Seems Hive was dropped like a hot potato. ..

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:26 pm

Klinke1 wrote:Seems Hive was dropped like a hot potato...

So what's missing from Hive that makes it seem like support was "dropped"?

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:35 pm

The missing Hexagon feature

I kid I kid.
But seriously, isn't Urs just saying a few posts up that they are at the very least changing the GUI of Hive? That sure doesn't sound like dropped to me.
rsp

mcbpete · Post by **mcbpete** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:44 pm

Urs wrote:Don't get me wrong - Hive has a great UI that is very fast and easy to use. It's just that the space-ship-type looks position it too much in the dance/techno music niche. It was meant to be that, but we hadn't foreseen how the possibilities provided by the ModMatrix have broadened Hive's scope, e.g. because effect parameters can be targeted and pretty much everything that has a knob. It has become much more than just a supersaw synth for trance music. It appeals to enthusiasts of modular synthesis just as much. Hence we're looking for more "mature" visuals.

Fantastic news, and it's very superficial of me but is exactly that reason I really haven't given it the proper use - I just keeping imagining David Guetta booting it up and hammering keys for a bit ! Currently switched to this skin ( viewtopic.php?f=31&t=448417&p=6362098&h ... e#p6361237 ) but would love to see what can be done by the official team

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:06 pm

bmrzycki wrote:
Klinke1 wrote:Seems Hive was dropped like a hot potato...
So what's missing from Hive that makes it seem like support was "dropped"?

I guess it is because we're currently working on something different

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:12 pm

Urs wrote:We'll add some revised algorithms, maybe an early ladder filter that's better suited for mono sounds, maybe faster envelope options. On top we've got plans for some new models, mostly filters and maybe oscillators, think Synthex, Polivoks, classic diode ladders or 700S. Not sure which ones we'll do and when, but there's certainly some room for improvements.

- Urs

I'd love to see some faster envelope options right out of the gate with Diva. The Diva take on the Minimoog just doesn't seem quite as snappy as Monark, which is my go-to for basses. I'm still amazed how well NI actually pulled that the thing off. More filters and oscs are definitely sexy, but I think if you follow the "improve the weakest link in the chain" methodology for updating, faster envelopes should come first IMO.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:49 pm

andresnol wrote:
Urs wrote:With Hive we wanted to add a counterpoint to the geekery image. The UI failed this, so we're working on a new UI for Hive.
This. One of the main reasons why Serum is so popular and why UI research deserves as much attention as filters etc.

I don't particularly like the Serum UI... too much tabbing. I like Hive much more myself.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:55 pm

Urs wrote:
andresnol wrote:
Urs wrote:With Hive we wanted to add a counterpoint to the geekery image. The UI failed this, so we're working on a new UI for Hive.
This. One of the main reasons why Serum is so popular and why UI research deserves as much attention as filters etc.
Don't get me wrong - Hive has a great UI that is very fast and easy to use. It's just that the space-ship-type looks position it too much in the dance/techno music niche. It was meant to be that, but we hadn't foreseen how the possibilities provided by the ModMatrix have broadened Hive's scope, e.g. because effect parameters can be targeted and pretty much everything that has a knob. It has become much more than just a supersaw synth for trance music. It appeals to enthusiasts of modular synthesis just as much. Hence we're looking for more "mature" visuals.

I look forward to that new GUI... I never particularly liked the spaceship look, but Hive is hands down the fastest synth UI that I've used.

cake builder · Post by **cake builder** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:59 pm

This thread has me excited about all kinds of u-he goodness - RePro, Zebra update, new Hive UI - I need to stop reading before I get impatient!

andresnol · Post by **andresnol** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:03 pm

Urs wrote:Don't get me wrong - Hive has a great UI that is very fast and easy to use. It's just that the space-ship-type looks position it too much in the dance/techno music niche. It was meant to be that, but we hadn't foreseen how the possibilities provided by the ModMatrix have broadened Hive's scope, e.g. because effect parameters can be targeted and pretty much everything that has a knob. It has become much more than just a supersaw synth for trance music. It appeals to enthusiasts of modular synthesis just as much. Hence we're looking for more "mature" visuals.

I am all for more mature and classy UI's.

But I was also thinking more things like, should a modern synth have ADSR sliders. Is it better to use click and dropdown menu and mouseover scroll or click and drag up and down. Should there be "next and back" buttons on filter type selection and FX (Zebra 2 OSC FX) to make quick audition while your other hand is on midi keyboard's encoder modulating or finding a sweet spot. Or how Diva Volta skin has that new "signal flow" page (which maybe does not fit the Diva concept though) where you can easily get familiar how different filters sound on different modulations and modules.

Maybe these things are more important for beginners and me, cause I honestly do not usually think while tweaking a sound that "Oh man, Trajector would sound so good on here, let me select it".

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:01 pm

electro wrote:
Urs wrote: The concepts for Zebra3 require a lot of research (as do the planned additions to Diva and the modular range)
Diva already covers a tremendous amount of ground. What else is getting added? That alternative Volta GUI is genius.

Speaking of UI.

Afaik Diva is very simple meta subtractive synth. It has very limited in a good way amount of controls and mods. UI wise it's repeating analog counterparts i.e. if users saw substractive synth before their know what to do. Zebra is completely opposite: it's has no real-world counterpart (not anymore) it's has tonns (yes, metric) ways of creating and controlling sounds and it doesn't fit to Diva paradigm.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:15 pm

Urs wrote:
andresnol wrote:
Urs wrote:With Hive we wanted to add a counterpoint to the geekery image. The UI failed this, so we're working on a new UI for Hive.
This. One of the main reasons why Serum is so popular and why UI research deserves as much attention as filters etc.
Don't get me wrong - Hive has a great UI that is very fast and easy to use. It's just that the space-ship-type looks position it too much in the dance/techno music niche. It was meant to be that, but we hadn't foreseen how the possibilities provided by the ModMatrix have broadened Hive's scope, e.g. because effect parameters can be targeted and pretty much everything that has a knob. It has become much more than just a supersaw synth for trance music. It appeals to enthusiasts of modular synthesis just as much. Hence we're looking for more "mature" visuals.

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