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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:07 pm

Synthetic Wav wrote:sylenth also become popular cause of the presets , as many trance producers have no clue how to tweak a synth execept tweaking the cutoff and spreading the unisson

Could be, but which came first, chicken or egg?

If there's many presets for specific genres, there's got to be a target audience for those.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:08 pm

recursive one wrote:Not sure how Hive handles these kinds of things - psytrance rolling basslines

Actually quite good IMHO, prefer it over Sylenth and Spire in the rawer state, but in the mix&cooked, somehow it's Spire>Hive>Sylenth, take this with grain of salt, just tried it on few occasions and mainly were interested about who will "win", Spire just cuts trough better and I'm sucker for more plastic sound, so yeah, it's hard to be more plastic than Spire in the end of the day.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:10 pm

I also think that Spire exceeds both of these synths, but, hey, the topic was Hive killing Sylenth.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:12 pm

chk071 wrote:I also think that Spire exceeds both of these synths, but, hey, the topic was Hive killing Sylenth.

Ooops

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:14 pm

Well but here is a question. Did Markus Schulz tried Diva? Hive? Zebra? Dune 2? Harmor?

what he would say about them? this is what i mean by being technologicly not "clever"

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:15 pm

Zexila wrote:
recursive one wrote:Not sure how Hive handles these kinds of things - psytrance rolling basslines
Actually quite good IMHO, prefer it over Sylenth and Spire in the rawer state, but in the mix&cooked, somehow it's Spire>Hive>Sylenth, take this with grain of salt, just tried it on few occasions and mainly were interested about who will "win", Spire just cuts trough better and I'm sucker for more plastic sound, so yeah, it's hard to be more plastic than Spire in the end of the day.

My experience is that Sylenth works better that Spire in an actual mix. I've just replaced Sylenth with Spire in one of my currently wip tracks and after spending several days trying to make it fit I decided to go back to Sylenth. It just has more balls for this specific sound despite Spire's xcomp, boost and great onboard eq, and this is kinda strange because Spire usually cuts through the mix much better for most other sounds.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:20 pm

Elektronisch wrote:Well but here is a question. Did Markus Schulz tried Diva? Hive? Zebra? Dune 2? Harmor? what he would say about them? this is what i mean by being technologicly not "clever"

I'm sure he's at least aware of most of those. Don't get me wrong, i'm not someone who gives much on artist endorsements, because those are most likely being stated positively anyway, because both industries benefit from each other, but, he also said that Spire sounds nice, but in another place has stated that it used too much CPU to really use it in his tracks.

That was pre-version 1.1 though. The Thrillseekers uses Hive for sure though (among other u-he synths).

Synthetic Wav · Post by **Synthetic Wav** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:22 pm

chk071 wrote:
Synthetic Wav wrote:sylenth also become popular cause of the presets , as many trance producers have no clue how to tweak a synth execept tweaking the cutoff and spreading the unisson
Could be, but which came first, chicken or egg? If there's many presets for specific genres, there's got to be a target audience for those.

i was thinking of the bundled presets ,i was joking but i have still some friends making trance since a decade or more and know very little about synthesis, sylenth was the perfect synth for them ( or a virus ) basically they jumped from vangard to sylenth if i recall right

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:24 pm

recursive one wrote:My experience is that Sylenth works better that Spire in an actual mix. I've just replaced Sylenth with Spire in one of my currently wip tracks and after spending several days trying to make it fit I decided to go back to Sylenth. It just has more balls for this specific sound despite Spire's xcomp, boost and great onboard eq, and this is kinda strange because Spire usually cuts through the mix much better for most other sounds.

Yeah, all depends on context really, that's why I said "wins", I usually start with "obvious fat" and crunchy and end up with lifeless plastic thin bass that probably any synth can do really if you put it trough the same effects chain, Spire just get's there faster naturally and envelopes are more flexible to squeeze little extra, again, totally personal thing here, majority of people actually dislike that sort of plastic lazery bass-es, I'm just sucker for them.

___loser · Post by **___loser** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:30 pm

Heh markus"the slice"shultz. I remember going to the club weekly where he was the resident wee budding dj

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:36 pm

Hive - Sylenth for hipsters.

aumordia · Post by **aumordia** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:50 pm

A lot of musicians just want to get a sound that's "good enough" so they can focus on the music. There's a difference between being a technologist and being a musician, and while one person could be both those things, it isn't a moral imperative.

This thread has a lot of strange ideas about why Sylenth1 is still so popular when there are so many "better" options out there...

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:14 pm

recursive one wrote:
chk071 wrote: All i can say is that with Sylenth1 for example, it really is no coincidental accident, or marketing (they didn't do that at all AFAIC), that it became so popular for "that" sound. It just is damn good at that.
I think "the Sylenth fenomenon" is easily explained by the fact that it has hit the market in the right time. Uplifting trance was extremely popular, everybody was raving about Virus and JP80x0 which were crazy expensive, plugin synths were in their early teens and suddenly a 200 dollar VSTi does this trance thing almost as good as the hardware. Should Sylenth be first released after 2014 i think it would be put into "nice but nothing special" cathegory by most users.

Exactly... it also became extra popular because of how easy it was to pirate.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:17 pm

aumordia wrote:Don't underestimate the importance of ergonomics. Sylenth1 always has been the total package, even back when it had a butt ugly Synthedit GUI. I looked at it (and others) here and there for years while I was in FL land, only finally pulled the trigger when I switched. I'm honestly surprised I bought it, I thought for sure something would supplant it.

The thing is, there are all these synths that can do things Sylenth1 objectively can't, but I don't see anything else that can do what I (subjectively) say Sylenth1 has a near monopoly on: steering you past the bad sounds and letting you rapidly dial in your own great sounds without sucking you down a rabbit hole of tweaking. I'd call it the Apple of soft synths except that it's historically been too ugly for that title

Hive is significantly easier to use than Sylenth. Hive is the fastest GUI I have used.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:22 pm

chk071 wrote:I simply posted why IMO Hive isn't a Sylenth killer, as proposed in the thread title, and laid out the reasons why i don't think it is.

I agree in general... It is one of a number of synths that have surpassed Sylenth. It is the collective competition that killed it.

Now Hive is here, is it RIP Sylenth?