KVR Audio

mcnoone · Post by **mcnoone** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:38 pm

ATS wrote: yeah but that's the thing. What Sylenth CAN do it's does it GREAT.

Sure. If moving a plastic forks teeth over a vinyl record is your thing, then yes it does do that great.

ATS wrote: It has a sound that is not matched by HIVE imo.

Hive can do plastic fork teeth on a vinyl record, and then some.
Hive does plastic fork teeth on vinyl record here.
https://app.box.com/s/s4p3g0kvvtwus47fiikse15mj94oobry
Hive does big bass that does Sylenth, better than Sylenth.
https://app.box.com/s/stbu1uh89o6e9300swkduvy9190wcbjc

mcnoone · Post by **mcnoone** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:42 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote: What is better in Hive is the direct PWM

Yep. Forgot that one. You can also modulate it using via some odd modulators.

fluffy_little_something · Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:43 pm

What do you even mean by that plastic fork thing?

Why don't you upload the audio files as such, box has a preview feature so one doesn't have to download audio files such as wav or mp3

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:52 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:What do you even mean by that plastic fork thing?

Why don't you upload the audio files as such, box has a preview feature so one doesn't have to download audio files such as wav or mp3

What's even worse, that's Hive presets and not audio files

Today I was listening to Aiyn Zahev's and some other Hive demos, and i mostly liked what I've heard. Hive is definitely capable of all or at least most sounds Sylenth is known for. Does is sound better that Sylenth? I think I like Sylenth more but this may be because I'm used to its sound therefore Hive is perceived as "close but no cigar" but in fact i think they are equal in sound quality.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:56 pm

recursive one wrote:
mcnoone wrote: wider range of more detailed and intricate sounds.
When you try doing that with Sylenth, it doesn't work, because it doesn't have any deeper sonic potential within it to learn.
Like what?

To the best of my knowledge, the only functionality Hive has and Sylenth doesn't are the three "engines" which colour the sound in certain way but I doubt that switching between them will radically change the sound if all other settings are staying the same (at least this is not my experience)

Hive does have some extra flexibility for sound shaping... For example:

You can modulate individual envelope stages, including changing the curve per stage (big influence on sound)
Envelopes can be looped by either LFO
FX re-ordered
More Mod Slots
Via option on each Mod Slot (sweet function!)
More Mod targets including
FX parameters can be modulated (which is rather powerful)
Arp speed can be modulated for some cool fx and syncopated sounds
Sequencer Attack, Decay and Gate can be modulated

Arp and sequencer more capable in general

Also, the drag-n-drop modulation on the one window interface is so fast to try stuff that it is like a feature in itself

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:02 pm

pdxindy wrote:
recursive one wrote:
mcnoone wrote: wider range of more detailed and intricate sounds.
When you try doing that with Sylenth, it doesn't work, because it doesn't have any deeper sonic potential within it to learn.
Like what?

To the best of my knowledge, the only functionality Hive has and Sylenth doesn't are the three "engines" which colour the sound in certain way but I doubt that switching between them will radically change the sound if all other settings are staying the same (at least this is not my experience)
Hive does have some extra flexibility for sound shaping... For example:

You can modulate individual envelope stages, including changing the curve per stage (big influence on sound)
Envelopes can be looped by either LFO
FX re-ordered
More Mod Slots
Via option on each Mod Slot (sweet function!)
More Mod targets including
FX parameters can be modulated (which is rather powerful)
Arp speed can be modulated for some cool fx and syncopated sounds
Sequencer Attack, Decay and Gate can be modulated

Arp and sequencer more capable in general

Also, the drag-n-drop modulation on the one window interface is so fast to try stuff that it is like a feature in itself

That's something to consider, thanks. The mod matrix in Sylenth is indeed severily lacking, sometimes drawing automation in a daw helps but it's not the same thing as using internal modulation sources, ofc.

I only have Hive's demo so I don't know all the ins and outs of it.

fluffy_little_something · Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:07 pm

recursive one wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:What do you even mean by that plastic fork thing?

Why don't you upload the audio files as such, box has a preview feature so one doesn't have to download audio files such as wav or mp3
What's even worse, that's Hive presets and not audio files

Today I was listening to Aiyn Zahev's and some other Hive demos, and i mostly liked what I've heard. Hive is definitely capable of all or at least most sounds Sylenth is known for. Does is sound better that Sylenth? I think I like Sylenth more but this may be because I'm used to its sound therefore Hive is perceived as "close but no cigar" but in fact i think they are equal in sound quality.

Oh, I see. Didn't download the files. Thought it would be audio examples...

I think Joseph Hollo's view on this topic would be interesting, he has made sets for both synths.

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:15 pm

mcnoone wrote:
ATS wrote: yeah but that's the thing. What Sylenth CAN do it's does it GREAT.
Sure. If moving a plastic forks teeth over a vinyl record is your thing, then yes it does do that great.
ATS wrote: It has a sound that is not matched by HIVE imo.
Hive can do plastic fork teeth on a vinyl record, and then some.
Hive does plastic fork teeth on vinyl record here.
https://app.box.com/s/s4p3g0kvvtwus47fiikse15mj94oobry
Hive does big bass that does Sylenth, better than Sylenth.
https://app.box.com/s/stbu1uh89o6e9300swkduvy9190wcbjc

the problem, besides you being sure you are right, is that your argument is totally subjective and no one know wtf the plastic fork teeth is. Plus you seem to be invested in HIVE which clouds your judgement. I own both so just being honest. BTW I am far from the only one who thinks Sylenth is something special.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:21 pm

ATS wrote: no one know wtf the plastic fork teeth is.

I guess it is another funny name for supersaw. People who think that hating supersaw is a sign of good musical taste have invented many of them.

fluffy_little_something · Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:25 pm

Oh, I thought the supersaw had 7 waves, my forks all seem to have only 4 teeth

mcnoone · Post by **mcnoone** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:35 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:What do you even mean by that plastic fork thing?

It's low end teeth sound like the teeth of a plastic fork when moved over the edge of a vinyl record.

fluffy_little_something wrote: Why don't you upload the audio files as such, box has a preview feature so one doesn't have to download audio files such as wav or mp3

Guess I could, but having the actual sound is more useful for those who want to play it instead.
I'll record something later though.

mcnoone · Post by **mcnoone** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:40 pm

recursive one wrote:
ATS wrote: no one know wtf the plastic fork teeth is.
I guess it is another funny name for supersaw. People who think that hating supersaw is a sign of good musical taste have invented many of them.

No, not supersaw. Hive already has a better supersaw than Sylenth. It's the "That Thing" patch included with it. I am not against supersaw sounds btw.
I was talking about that plastic sound, of the low end teeth that can be found in certain bass/low notes.
It's even called "teeth" within some patch names. Saw teeth mostly, but other waveforms work too.

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:40 pm

mcnoone wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:What do you even mean by that plastic fork thing?
It's low end teeth sound like the teeth of a plastic fork when moved over the edge of a vinyl record.
fluffy_little_something wrote: Why don't you upload the audio files as such, box has a preview feature so one doesn't have to download audio files such as wav or mp3
Guess I could, but having the actual sound is more useful for those who want to play it instead.
I'll record something later though.

why don't you post a real recording of you doing that then make a patch that sounds like it?

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:42 pm

The "magical changes" of the different Hive engines is explained here: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=427890

Multi Synth Engine Technology?

Forget the buzzword. Hive can't switch filter topology for both filters individually, but we wanted to offer a ladder filter, a diode-based Steiner-Parker filter and a State Variable Filter. We also wanted to offer different detune laws and different envelopes without making things too esoteric, homoeopathic or too technical. Hence you get all of these things as different characters in the synth engines.

Not sure why they didn't sticky that though. It's an essential read for Hive users IMO.

Maybe it's in the manual, IDK.

fluffy_little_something · Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:55 pm

mcnoone wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:What do you even mean by that plastic fork thing?
It's low end teeth sound like the teeth of a plastic fork when moved over the edge of a vinyl record.
fluffy_little_something wrote: Why don't you upload the audio files as such, box has a preview feature so one doesn't have to download audio files such as wav or mp3
Guess I could, but having the actual sound is more useful for those who want to play it instead.
I'll record something later though.

Yeah, do a little audio please as I have no idea what that sounds like. I never had such an idea when I still had a record player decades ago. I do remember homely static

Now Hive is here, is it RIP Sylenth?