Now Hive is here, is it RIP Sylenth?

[chk071]

Stupid question time.

Is Hive a popular synth? More specifically, is it as popular as Sylenth1?

Who knows.

Well, people seem to know (or think they know) that Sylenth1 is one of the most popular synths around, used by just about everybody in the business. So how do they know this?

Amount of soundsets, mouth to mouth propaganda, artist endorsements... that kind of stuff i guess. I can only tell that Hive seems to be less popular in EDM music than Sylenth1 or Spire (based on artist statements, and sites which list used equipment from popular artists, and also on the amount of soundsets for those genres). If it is more popular in other genres, or more popular in general, i can't tell. Judging from opinions here, on KVR, i would say it is popular among the usual u-he product users.

[wagtunes]

Stupid question time.

Is Hive a popular synth? More specifically, is it as popular as Sylenth1?

Sylenth has been out much longer, and therefore has had many years to acquire a larger user base.
Though we all know that popularity does not always mean something is good.

The synth being "good" was not the reason for my question. Good is all subjective and a meaningless term. I have other reasons for asking.

Then it is the first sentence of my post that is the reason.

Pretty much. But then again, longer and larger are also relative terms as well. Larger could be much larger or, depending on how big a market U-he has, not so much larger. Or it could be miles apart. But still it comes down to how people know that Sylenth1 sells at all as nobody but the developer has access to the sales figures.

Point is, when people talk about how "popular" Sylenth1 is, how do they really know? They can't possibly know that any more so than they know how popular Hive is. It's all just guess work.

[wagtunes]

Stupid question time.

Is Hive a popular synth? More specifically, is it as popular as Sylenth1?

Who knows.

Well, people seem to know (or think they know) that Sylenth1 is one of the most popular synths around, used by just about everybody in the business. So how do they know this?

Amount of soundsets, mouth to mouth propaganda, artist endorsements... that kind of stuff i guess. I can only tell that Hive seems to be less popular in EDM music than Sylenth1 or Spire (based on artist statements, and sites which list used equipment from popular artists, and also on the amount of soundsets for those genres). If it is more popular in other genres, or more popular in general, i can't tell. Judging from opinions here, on KVR, i would say it is popular among the usual u-he product users.

So in other words, probably similar in popularity to Zebra 2, Diva and possibly even Bazille though I would think a modular synth like that would have less of a following. And again, that is just guess work as well.

[mcnoone]

Stupid question time.

Is Hive a popular synth? More specifically, is it as popular as Sylenth1?

Sylenth has been out much longer, and therefore has had many years to acquire a larger user base.
Though we all know that popularity does not always mean something is good.

The synth being "good" was not the reason for my question. Good is all subjective and a meaningless term. I have other reasons for asking.

Then it is the first sentence of my post that is the reason.

Pretty much. But then again, longer and larger are also relative terms as well. Larger could be much larger or, depending on how big a market U-he has, not so much larger. Or it could be miles apart. But still it comes down to how people know that Sylenth1 sells at all as nobody but the developer has access to the sales figures.

Point is, when people talk about how "popular" Sylenth1 is, how do they really know? They can't possibly know that any more so than they know how popular Hive is. It's all just guess work.

Sorry to say, but my tolerance toward the word "relative" is at an all time low. They are objective words. Any words regarding measure? Are objective. We can measure the "time" and measure the "amount of users" ...all objective meanings.

[fluffy_little_something]

All effects are sound-altering, else they would not be used.
Well, when you turn all effects of your patch off and switch to clean filter mode, it is a rather bland standard sound that Sylenth1 can make as well. And with similar effects on on both, the results are also similar

I disagree. Subtle use of effects as opposed to the whole sound relying on them is a big difference.
Doesn't matter what you say about it, as if you can't do the sound with one oscillator and one filter, then it means that Hive is the synth that is easier to use, and less is required to acquire some kind of sound, which is what the discussion was leaning toward, seeing how so many people said its easier to use to get some kind of sound. Apparently it isn't capable of replicating the sounds I posted, or else you would have posted the recordings and patches themselves as evidence to back up your claim.
Use anything you want in Sylenth. Let's see how much easier it is.
If you need to use more, and tweak more, to obtain some said sound using Sylenth. Then it isn't easier to use. Point made.

You only hear the difference because even subtle effects do change the sound.

I have not said Sylenth1 is easier or more difficult to use. I was referring to the claim someone made that Hive has a much wider sound spectrum. That is nonsense in my view. I can make most any Hive sound in Sylenth1 as well, even if it takes different settings than on Hive.
I don't have Sylenth1 installed anymore, some parts of it are deactivated in the demo anyway if I remember correctly, I might download it tomorrow. But I have made hundreds of patches on it, so I guess I can say that I am aware which sounds it can make and which it can't make.

[wagtunes]

Stupid question time.

Is Hive a popular synth? More specifically, is it as popular as Sylenth1?

Sylenth has been out much longer, and therefore has had many years to acquire a larger user base.
Though we all know that popularity does not always mean something is good.

The synth being "good" was not the reason for my question. Good is all subjective and a meaningless term. I have other reasons for asking.

Then it is the first sentence of my post that is the reason.

Pretty much. But then again, longer and larger are also relative terms as well. Larger could be much larger or, depending on how big a market U-he has, not so much larger. Or it could be miles apart. But still it comes down to how people know that Sylenth1 sells at all as nobody but the developer has access to the sales figures.

Point is, when people talk about how "popular" Sylenth1 is, how do they really know? They can't possibly know that any more so than they know how popular Hive is. It's all just guess work.

Sorry to say, but my tolerance toward the word "relative" is at an all time low. They are objective words. Any words regarding measure? Are objective. We can measure the "time" and measure the "amount of users" ...all objective meanings.

They may be objective but they're not hard numbers. Is larger 1,000 more owners or 10,000 more owners? What's the spread between the two synths? Even the developers can't answer that because each developer doesn't have access to the other's sales figures. So all they'd be doing is guessing as well.

[chk071]

Stupid question time.

Is Hive a popular synth? More specifically, is it as popular as Sylenth1?

Who knows.

Well, people seem to know (or think they know) that Sylenth1 is one of the most popular synths around, used by just about everybody in the business. So how do they know this?

Amount of soundsets, mouth to mouth propaganda, artist endorsements... that kind of stuff i guess. I can only tell that Hive seems to be less popular in EDM music than Sylenth1 or Spire (based on artist statements, and sites which list used equipment from popular artists, and also on the amount of soundsets for those genres). If it is more popular in other genres, or more popular in general, i can't tell. Judging from opinions here, on KVR, i would say it is popular among the usual u-he product users.

So in other words, probably similar in popularity to Zebra 2, Diva and possibly even Bazille though I would think a modular synth like that would have less of a following. And again, that is just guess work as well.

Ure stated the sales number this year of the u-he synths earlier:

Bestsellers this year so far in numbers currently are Diva, followed by Zebra, Hive, ACE, Satin, Bazille, Presswerk, others in that order, where Hive sells about almost as often as Zebra and a bit more than half of Diva. Hive also sells about twice as often as ACE, so we can safely say it has become our third flagship product.

FWIW.

[mcnoone]

Point is, when people talk about how "popular" Sylenth1 is, how do they really know? They can't possibly know that any more so than they know how popular Hive is. It's all just guess work.

People do not know the amounts of users, except for the dev team. So that is a valid point.
Yet the amount of time since release is important too, and that is something we all know about.

[wagtunes]

Stupid question time.

Is Hive a popular synth? More specifically, is it as popular as Sylenth1?

Who knows.

Well, people seem to know (or think they know) that Sylenth1 is one of the most popular synths around, used by just about everybody in the business. So how do they know this?

Amount of soundsets, mouth to mouth propaganda, artist endorsements... that kind of stuff i guess. I can only tell that Hive seems to be less popular in EDM music than Sylenth1 or Spire (based on artist statements, and sites which list used equipment from popular artists, and also on the amount of soundsets for those genres). If it is more popular in other genres, or more popular in general, i can't tell. Judging from opinions here, on KVR, i would say it is popular among the usual u-he product users.

So in other words, probably similar in popularity to Zebra 2, Diva and possibly even Bazille though I would think a modular synth like that would have less of a following. And again, that is just guess work as well.

Ure stated the sales number this year of the u-he synths earlier:

Bestsellers this year so far in numbers currently are Diva, followed by Zebra, Hive, ACE, Satin, Bazille, Presswerk, others in that order, where Hive sells about almost as often as Zebra and a bit more than half of Diva. Hive also sells about twice as often as ACE, so we can safely say it has become our third flagship product.

FWIW.

Thanks. That helps me a ton.

[mcnoone]

I have not said Sylenth1 is easier or more difficult to use.

Others did though.

I was referring to the claim someone made that Hive has a much wider sound spectrum. That is nonsense in my view. I can make most any Hive sound in Sylenth1 as well, even if it takes different settings than on Hive.

I disagree, and in fact. I have quite a number of Hive sounds within the demo, that cannot be replicated using Sylenth, due to its limitations.

I don't have Sylenth1 installed anymore, some parts of it are deactivated in the demo anyway if I remember correctly, I might download it tomorrow. But I have made hundreds of patches on it, so I guess I can say that I am aware which sounds it can make and which it can't make.

How can you have hundreds of sounds for Sylenth using the demo? It doesn't save without owning it.
And also, you can do the talk but you can't do the walk.
Put your money where your mouth is.
Are you aware of these colloquialisms?
They mean that you can talk a lot about what you can do, but you can't produce the evidence to back those words up.

[fluffy_little_something]

I have not said Sylenth1 is easier or more difficult to use.

Others did though.

I was referring to the claim someone made that Hive has a much wider sound spectrum. That is nonsense in my view. I can make most any Hive sound in Sylenth1 as well, even if it takes different settings than on Hive.

I disagree, and in fact. I have quite a number of Hive sounds within the demo, that cannot be replicated using Sylenth, due to its limitations.

I don't have Sylenth1 installed anymore, some parts of it are deactivated in the demo anyway if I remember correctly, I might download it tomorrow. But I have made hundreds of patches on it, so I guess I can say that I am aware which sounds it can make and which it can't make.

How can you have hundreds of sounds for Sylenth using the demo? It doesn't save without owning it.
And also, you can do the talk but you can't do the walk.
Put your money where your mouth is.
Are you aware of these colloquialisms?
They mean that you can talk a lot about what you can do, but you can't produce the evidence to back those words up.

I used to have it and use it a lot, but I sold it. That simple...
Will download the demo tomorrow...

[mcnoone]

I have not said Sylenth1 is easier or more difficult to use.

Others did though.

I was referring to the claim someone made that Hive has a much wider sound spectrum. That is nonsense in my view. I can make most any Hive sound in Sylenth1 as well, even if it takes different settings than on Hive.

I disagree, and in fact. I have quite a number of Hive sounds within the demo, that cannot be replicated using Sylenth, due to its limitations.

I don't have Sylenth1 installed anymore, some parts of it are deactivated in the demo anyway if I remember correctly, I might download it tomorrow. But I have made hundreds of patches on it, so I guess I can say that I am aware which sounds it can make and which it can't make.

How can you have hundreds of sounds for Sylenth using the demo? It doesn't save without owning it.
And also, you can do the talk but you can't do the walk.
Put your money where your mouth is.
Are you aware of these colloquialisms?
They mean that you can talk a lot about what you can do, but you can't produce the evidence to back those words up.

I used to have it and use it a lot, but I sold it. That simple...
Will download the demo tomorrow...

It's useless, as the demo is limited, and can't save. We need to verify the actual preset.
I damn well know that Sylenth is more talk than walk. I've got 128 sounds in the Hive demo, bet Sylenth can't reproduce even a quarter of those sounds.

[pdxindy]

Is Hive a popular synth?

yes

[pdxindy]

Hive... couple of 3 note chords held as the arp plays

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Hive42.mp3

[fluffy_little_something]

I have not said Sylenth1 is easier or more difficult to use.

Others did though.

I was referring to the claim someone made that Hive has a much wider sound spectrum. That is nonsense in my view. I can make most any Hive sound in Sylenth1 as well, even if it takes different settings than on Hive.

I disagree, and in fact. I have quite a number of Hive sounds within the demo, that cannot be replicated using Sylenth, due to its limitations.

I don't have Sylenth1 installed anymore, some parts of it are deactivated in the demo anyway if I remember correctly, I might download it tomorrow. But I have made hundreds of patches on it, so I guess I can say that I am aware which sounds it can make and which it can't make.

How can you have hundreds of sounds for Sylenth using the demo? It doesn't save without owning it.
And also, you can do the talk but you can't do the walk.
Put your money where your mouth is.
Are you aware of these colloquialisms?
They mean that you can talk a lot about what you can do, but you can't produce the evidence to back those words up.

I used to have it and use it a lot, but I sold it. That simple...
Will download the demo tomorrow...

It's useless, as the demo is limited, and can't save. We need to verify the actual preset.
I damn well know that Sylenth is more talk than walk. I've got 128 sounds in the Hive demo, bet Sylenth can't reproduce even a quarter of those sounds.

You are right, it says one can't load and save presets in the demo version...
By the way, I also noticed that while you were stressing that you only used one oscillator, you had set it to 2 waves
You had used pulse, which of course one would have to construct using two oscillators in Sylenth1.