Repro-1 (out now)

[Urs]

Christ guys listen to him. The guy is telling you he would have to scale it back to make it poly. Such is the limitations of software.

No, it would just require a weeks work (his words)

Cant see the problem. So some sounds/features would be diff in poly mode.... change that feat when its in poly mode to act correctly or made it unusable in poly mode. Legato etc is not a big deal in poly.

Yes, great, let's do it and tell everyone that we won't do a Prophet-5 emulation because of it. Consider it done!

Also, the price went just up to 99$ intro offer and $149 for the final product. Gotta compensate for less sales of Diva somehow.

[AnX]

Christ guys listen to him. The guy is telling you he would have to scale it back to make it poly. Such is the limitations of software.

No, it would just require a weeks work (his words)

Cant see the problem. So some sounds/features would be diff in poly mode.... change that feat when its in poly mode to act correctly or made it unusable in poly mode. Legato etc is not a big deal in poly.

Yes, great, let's do it and tell everyone that we won't do a Prophet-5 emulation because of it. Consider it done!

Excellent

[Echoes in the Attic]

So I'm just saying besides price, the other reasons are silly excuses (like a synth being better suited to mono sounds etc).

Nope, that is not a silly excuse. When features of the synth don't lend itself to polyphony (like the above mentioned drone mode), it doesn't make sense to make it a poly. It also doesn't make sense to disable that feature just in order to have polyphony.

Can't believe this seems so hard to understand...

Remind me why it doesn't make sense to disable a feature "just in order to have polyphony". Sorry I guess disabling a feature that is for mono use only when in polyphony mode was just kind of obvious to me. You know, like legato? Not that weird right? Or maybe the concept of legato not being available for poly mode on existing synths also confuses people. I don't know, it's tough getting in the mind of fanatics.

Urs - I just want to be clear that i'm not criticizing your reasoning at all, and I am totally behind doing the method that gets it done quicker as I am certainly one of those waiting for Zebra 3, so the faster you get through these products the better! It's just a debate that comes up sometimes with emulations in general and the absurd logic that people throw out and the straw man arguments ("I'd rather use a good mono synth than a mediocre poly synth" etc.) are just mind blowingly unreasonable. It's those people I'm giving a hard time, not you!

[Cinebient]

Making it poly is a piece of cake and can be done in less than a week. However, many many things would be considered a bug or bad design.

Im sure a manual could deal with those 'problems'

Yes, because we know for sure that everybody reads the manual before they contact our support, or post a rant on KVR.

Include an interactive tutorial(s).
Moog does this and you can also create your own tutorials which you can share. Very educational.
Manual pdf's are also "yesterday".

[AnX]

Christ guys listen to him. The guy is telling you he would have to scale it back to make it poly. Such is the limitations of software.

No, it would just require a weeks work (his words)

Cant see the problem. So some sounds/features would be diff in poly mode.... change that feat when its in poly mode to act correctly or made it unusable in poly mode. Legato etc is not a big deal in poly.

Yes, great, let's do it and tell everyone that we won't do a Prophet-5 emulation because of it. Consider it done!

Also, the price went just up to 99$ intro offer and $149 for the final product. Gotta compensate for less sales of Diva somehow.

Oh i see... so the only reason you are making repro1 monophonic, is so it doesnt cut into diva sales.... nothing to do with technical problems, just cash flow. Fair enough.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Of your options, I'd be behind #1, but #3 doesn't seem bad, especially with the prophet filter in Diva. But I would love the prophet osc module in Diva too. Out of the question? I still think it would be cool if the Prophet-5 was an additional product, but purchasing it "unlocked the osc and filter module in Diva, however with non-authentic parameter ranges, as in the case with the other modules. The the product is totally the Prophet-5, but people who own Diva also have the ability to use it in the Diva format. Win!

[Urs]

Oh i see... so the only reason you are making repro1 monophonic, is so it doesnt cut into diva sales.... nothing to do with technical problems, just cash flow. Fair enough.

No, I posted 6 valid reasons, and none of them are technical. There was never a technical reason, if you consider that the "confusion reason" due to unexpected functionality is merely a pragmatic one.

But yes, I develop plug-ins for a living. 15 employees and their families rely on Repro-1 creating cash flow, not reducing it.

[Urs]

Of your options, I'd be behind #1, but #1 doesn't seem bad, especially with the prophet filter in Diva. But I would love the prophet osc module in Diva too. Out of the question? I still think it would be cool if the Prophet-5 was an additional product, but purchasing it "unlocked the osc and filter module in Diva, however with non-authentic parameter ranges, as in the case with the other modules. The the product is totally the Prophet-5, but people who own Diva also have the ability to use it in the Diva format. Win!

That might be an idea we should discuss...

[AnX]

Oh i see... so the only reason you are making repro1 monophonic, is so it doesnt cut into diva sales.... nothing to do with technical problems, just cash flow. Fair enough.

No, I posted 6 valid reasons, and none of them are technical. There was never a technical reason, if you consider that the "confusion reason" due to unexpected functionality is merely a pragmatic one.

But yes, I develop plug-ins for a living. 15 employees and their families rely on Repro-1 creating cash flow, not reducing it.

If its good, which i dont doubt, i dont see how it would reduce cash flow if it was mono and poly. Quite the opposite.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Of your options, I'd be behind #1, but #3 doesn't seem bad, especially with the prophet filter in Diva. But I would love the prophet osc module in Diva too. Out of the question? I still think it would be cool if the Prophet-5 was an additional product, but purchasing it "unlocked the osc and filter module in Diva, however with non-authentic parameter ranges, as in the case with the other modules. Then the product is totally the Prophet-5, but people who own Diva also have the ability to use it in the Diva format. Win!

That might be an idea we should discuss...

Cool, and I meant to say "#3 doesn't seem bad", fixed above, but you probably knew what I meant.

[Urs]

Oh i see... so the only reason you are making repro1 monophonic, is so it doesnt cut into diva sales.... nothing to do with technical problems, just cash flow. Fair enough.

No, I posted 6 valid reasons, and none of them are technical. There was never a technical reason, if you consider that the "confusion reason" due to unexpected functionality is merely a pragmatic one.

But yes, I develop plug-ins for a living. 15 employees and their families rely on Repro-1 creating cash flow, not reducing it.

If its good, which i dont doubt, i dont see how it would reduce cash flow if it was mono and poly. Quite the opposite.

I think people would be very irritated if we did a polyphonic Pro-One on the one hand, and later on a Prophet-5. There would be endless arguments as to how one should be crossgraded to the other, and how dare u-he use the same code to cash in twice. Yet I believe more people would fancy a state-of-the-art emulation of a Prophet-5 than a polyphonic - but somewhat quircky - Pro-One. If anything, I do, and that's totally my decision.

[AnX]

So you're going to do both anyway, and use the same code anyway.... shouldnt uhe users be miffed already... or does one being mono make everything ok?

As you said, your decision. Good luck.

[klinik]

Also, the price went just up to 99$ intro offer and $149 for the final product. Gotta compensate for less sales of Diva somehow.

OK... That would be the price for non diva customers, and you could make the cheaper price for your "analog collection" supporters...

[Urs]

I would love the prophet osc module in Diva too. Out of the question?

I got what you meant

Actually, I think the Osc module would be the weakest addition to Diva. It really is mostly a subset of the Dual VCO featurewise, with maybe a few different gain relations between the waveforms. I think we could implement those inside the existing module maybe. The one thing the Dual VCO lacks is the PWM crossmodulation. The Osc B -> Osc B self modulation of frequency and pulsewidth is a very intrigueing technical exercise, but I don't think it brings a lot of musicality into the game.

I'm however a big proponent of a Dual DCO module, as found on the Synthex. Now, if we spice that one up with crossmodulation... (which a DCO naturally can't feature, but we're free to do this in software).

As for the filter module... there are some really cool ideas.

Anyhow, there is a lot of other projects before this is going to happen...

[Dasheesh]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. In our house we live by a certain creed Urs. A kind of rule of life. "You can't save them all."

If you are going to do a poly prophet emulation I can add to the chaos by saying I think people (at least I would) go Gaga for a polyevolver. I'd pay good money for that. Have a good day