Repro-1 (out now)

[Arrested Developer]

You should not accuse other persons for "bashing" something, if they come
to different conclusions as you do. There's freedom of liking and of disliking.

Yes, liking or disliking is something anyone is entitled to. But then one should say "I don't like it, and IMO they did not do a good job" and not "they murder anything they emulate" or something similar. That is a language I don't think is simply expressioning a dislike, it is much more hyperbolic and drastic, and should be kept for something that is supported with facts, not opinions, and have to have much stronger reasons than "envelopes reset to zero" and "oscillators are not free running". I know this is Internet and KVR, but nevertheless...

I didn't use that expression, but since i've used to work also for years with a (real) jupiter 8, a (real) matrix 12 etc. i can understand if people who know the real thing are drastically underwhelmed...
but as i've written: beside of the function of an "emulation" those plug ins for sure may be very useful for those who like them.

[beely]

But then one should say "I don't like it, and IMO they did not do a good job" and not "they murder anything they emulate" or something similar.

Sure, and I agree (I dislike the phrase "it sounds *nothing* like..." in this context as well) but this is the internet and most people just don't take the time online to make sure they are communicating effectively (and on the other end, the same applies to people *reading* things as well, a lot of people don't make the effort to interpret into what people are writing either, taking things at face value or imprinting their own values onto someone else's words).

It's just something we all need to learn to do better, really, otherwise everything online will end up looking like YouTube comments do...

[david.beholder]

Yes, liking or disliking is something anyone is entitled to. But then one should say "I don't like it, and IMO they did not do a good job" and not "they murder anything they emulate" or something similar. That is a language I don't think is simply expressioning a dislike, it is much more hyperbolic and drastic, and should be kept for something that is supported with facts, not opinions, and have to have much stronger reasons than "envelopes reset to zero" and "oscillators are not free running". I know this is Internet and KVR, but nevertheless...

But they are literally not doing a good job and killing every synths - exactly like you've said. Nothing wrong when people see something you don't like. C'mon.

I have several hardware synths that are crapmulated by Arturia and even simple hardware ones like SEM are not close to crapmulations e.g. lacking creamy over-driving filter, ob-envelopes etc. Arturia's substractive synths are made of generic modules and with well skinned GUIs. Considering that all substractive synths have similar architecture as details and aspects is what making things big and that exactly where Arturia is failing.

And I hope you don't follow paradigm that all substractive synths are emulating each other.

Btw, it's funny to read about "quality" of Arturia "emulation" in RePro-1 thread because U-he products are completely opposite to Arturia's. Diva is not emulating anything (according to creators) but it's amazing emulation software. RePro would be simple new step in emulation with attention and love to details - those little things things that U-he love to put in their synths and Arturia is simple ignoring them.

[Arrested Developer]

@david: your quote is wrong. You put Fernando's words in my mouth...

[david.beholder]

@david: your quote is wrong. You put Fernando's words in my mouth...

my apologises

[electro]

I have several hardware synths that are crapmulated by Arturia and even simple hardware ones like SEM are not close to crapmulations e.g. lacking creamy over-driving filter, ob-envelopes etc. Arturia's substractive synths are made of generic modules and with well skinned GUIs. Considering that all substractive synths have similar architecture as details and aspects is what making things big and that exactly where Arturia is failing.

Arturia's Synclavier V is synth of the year
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=467167

[david.beholder]

Arturia's Synclavier V is synth of the year
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=467167

Since when Synclavier is substractive synth?

Btw do we really need all this Arturia black P.R. in U-he thread?

[Urs]

Btw do we really need all this Arturia black P.R. in U-he thread?

I don't mind, people will be able to feel the difference once we get to model a P-5. As I'm friends with peeps at Arturia I would prefer a civilised discussion though, one where plug-ins do not murder anything and where they are judged in perspective of softsynth history. Objectively, the Pro-V is a well done softsynth, but emulations of analogue synthesizers have come a long way since.

Unfortunately - and afaiaa - there isn't a contemporary emulation of any SCI Prophet today, it's mostly Minimoogs, Oberheim and Roland synths, hence there isn't really much to compare for most of the people out there. Yet. I believe one reason for this is the unbelievable modulation depth and filter range which require more oversampling (= CPU) than any other non-modular vintage synth I'm aware of.

That said, Repro-1 does not emulate a Prophet-5. The main difference is that the Pro-One has vastly different gains for mixed waveforms and filter input, so that one can not possibly compare the two.

[RichN]

... once we get to model a P-5. ...

Consider it pre-ordered. Can't wait...

[Dasheesh]

I'm just gonna be flat out honest here. I use hive for my prophet sounds. Hive is so prophet in feel and sound. It's missing all the exact oscillator modulations of course, but I guess that's the limitations of modern software and using computers as an instrument right now. In terms of sound, and in terms of playability. I use hive for my prophet sounds.


As far as this SC emulation project goes. I would make it it's own entity. Ain instrument that can flip between pro one and prophet5, and hopefully you will be able to sneak some polyevolver in there in the future. Just make it a world class model software dave smith sound. That means you guys will have to break down and use oscillators for modulators though.

[nevernamed]

Arturia's Synclavier V is synth of the year
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=467167

The Synclavier wasn't developed by Arturia though. It's the original Synclavier guy (Cameron Jones). Arturia did the GUI only. That said it is a pretty nice sounding synth and the interface isn't letting it down so credit where it's due.

[fmr]

Arturia's Synclavier V is synth of the year
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=467167

The Synclavier wasn't developed by Arturia though. It's the original Synclavier guy (Cameron Jones). Arturia did the GUI only. That said it is a pretty nice sounding synth and the interface isn't letting it down so credit where it's due.

It's amazing how the will of bashing at all cost lead to such distorted comments. It's even in the site of Cameron Jones that it was a "Joint development between Arturia and Synclavier Digital". The technical sheet in the manual quotes not less than 12 names. Do you believe Arturia would nedd 11 guys to come out with just "the GUI only"?

Since you have nothing bad to say about it, then it "wasn't developed by Arturia"

[nevernamed]

WHOA hang on a minute mate check your facts!!! Trying to dismiss this as false information is more than a little cheeky. You like to be smug? Here then, comments are based on this interview with Glen Darcey VP of Product Management at Arturia:



Shall I quote it for you? Here: Glen at 1:15:37 "...he did all the DSP on it. We didn't do any of the DSP on it. We did the graphic interface but he did all the DSP...".

Go back to 1:13:00 to get the context if you want. Or don't. I don't really care either way. But next time facts before smugness would be wiser.

ps:
and where is that daft smug smiley... oh yeah here it is

[fmr]

Shall I quote it for you? Here: Glen at 1:15:37 "...he did all the DSP on it. We didn't do any of the DSP on it. We did the graphic interface but he did all the DSP...".

Go back to 1:13:00 to get the context if you want. Or don't. I don't really care either way. But next time facts before smugness would be wiser.

ps:
and where is that daft smug smiley... oh yeah here it is

I can put this in other way: He did the DSP, Arturia did the rest. The rest is not "just" the GUI, it's the whole conception of the instrument, integration in the engine, the VST code, etc. (I am no programmer, so, those here who are can explain it better). Cameron Jones just picked the old Synclavier code and did a new, enhanced version. Even the enhancements were done at request of Arturia. I am not diminishing his achievement, but if he had the knowledge and the resources to come up with a full VST instrument, I believe he would have done it alone several years ago.

So, if Arturia hires a new developer to code or recode some VI (after all, Arturia is a corporation, it doesn't actually "do" anything - it's employees do) then you will come here and say: Arturia just did the GUI. The DSP code was done by F...

[nevernamed]

Shall I quote it for you? Here: Glen at 1:15:37 "...he did all the DSP on it. We didn't do any of the DSP on it. We did the graphic interface but he did all the DSP...".

Go back to 1:13:00 to get the context if you want. Or don't. I don't really care either way. But next time facts before smugness would be wiser.

ps:
and where is that daft smug smiley... oh yeah here it is

I can put this in other way: He did the DSP, Arturia did the rest. The rest is not "just" the GUI, it's the whole conception of the instrument, integration in the engine, the VST code, etc. (I am no programmer, so, those here who are can explain it better). Cameron Jones just picked the old Synclavier code and did a new, enhanced version. Even the enhancements were done at request of Arturia. I am not diminishing his achievement, but if he had the knowledge and the resources to come up with a full VST instrument, I believe he would have done it alone several years ago.

So, if Arturia hires a new developer to code or recode some VI (after all, Arturia is a corporation, it doesn't actually "do" anything - it's employees do) then you will come here and say: Arturia just did the GUI. The DSP code was done by F...

NO you're mistaken. I didn't say that. Glen Darcey, the VP of Product Management at Arturia said it. Not me. Let me quote it for you again: "...he did all the DSP on it. We didn't do any of the DSP on it. We did the graphic interface but he did all the DSP..."

How did you turn that into "you will come here and say" etc etc?

Moreover: "Cameron Jones just picked the old Synclavier code and did a new, enhanced version.".

You mean he, who wrote the original software, beloved by a lot of musicians, and in arguably much more primitive times in terms of high performance computing, got it right the first time around and now he built on that? Nooooooo!

What's amazing though is that you have video evidence staring you right in the face and saying a thing X but you still distort it into a thing Y. And you accuse others around here about distorting things?

I didn't say anything at all there. I simply quoted you what the product VP has said verbatim and you in turn attributed the comment to me.