I've noticed here not many fan of ilock; at the same time I have noticed that there are many Cubase users, which has usb elicenser. Why?
Don't you like neither of those or just ilock?
thx
ilock2 vs elicenser question.
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
Because Cubase is a great app (one of the most powerful hosts) that has been around and used a dongle for a long, long time. And ultimately, when people want to use something enough, they will deal with it.mementus wrote:I've noticed here not many fan of ilock; at the same time I have noticed that there are many Cubase users, which has usb elicenser. Why?
Don't you like neither of those or just ilock?
thx
Don't mistake the whining you see on forums as a majority. Most of the professional world has had to deal with dongles and will deal with dongles because some very powerful software they need uses it. But there is always a vocal minority who love to make a big deal about it on forums. It isn't that their points are invalid or unjustified. Because they are not. But people just like to gripe online more than they like to praise things.
People like to complain more about iLok because more software overall uses it. So you hear more about it. But both iLok and eLicensor are fine and work about the same.
Brent
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- KVRAF
- 35728 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
If i had to choose between the two, i would pick iLok. Simply because many products seem to use the software iLok, while software using eLicenser mostly required to have a physical USB dongle. I also didn't quite get the fuss about iLok, i don't find it particularly intrusive, or worse in that regard than eLicenser, or software center kind of things which install themselves on your computer, just to protect the software of one specific company. As koolkeys wrote, people like to rant online, especially when they have prejudices against certain things. And yes, it sucks that software needs protection, it also sucks that i need to lock my front door, or my car, but, that's the world we're living in.
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- KVRAF
- 1524 posts since 6 Nov, 2012
I think they are fundamentally different things. ilok is cracked so it's not license protection. Recent Cubase isn't cracked so elicenser is copy protection.
ilok: license management tool
elicenser: copy protection
ilok: license management tool
elicenser: copy protection
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- KVRist
- 414 posts since 19 Sep, 2016 from Wonderland
Dunno, if soft farmers cannot protect their biz it's not my problem. Seems such a snobbish merit to me. It must be sheer laziness. The usual.
I never make mistakes; I just blame others.
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- KVRist
- 414 posts since 19 Sep, 2016 from Wonderland
PS the concept of dongles is so weak that the owners of the software (you own a license to use) make you believe you are the one who has to protect their application! And pay for the fact they can't lock their stuff. A straight lie. Because according to the law the owner is responsible for locking their stuff. At least in my country.
It's like having a car but you only own the driver's license and you are the one who is responsible when it gets stolen if its lock malfunctions for some reason. Too ridiculous for words.
Like I said: the perfect item for a snob to own. That said.
It's like having a car but you only own the driver's license and you are the one who is responsible when it gets stolen if its lock malfunctions for some reason. Too ridiculous for words.
Like I said: the perfect item for a snob to own. That said.
I never make mistakes; I just blame others.
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- KVRist
- 212 posts since 13 Jun, 2007
I am not a fan of either one although I own both and have multiple software for both. However, if there is software that I am really interested in and that is the licensing scheme that the software uses, I will purchase it.
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- KVRAF
- 1872 posts since 17 May, 2005
I use elicenser and everything works great. Don't have an ilok (yet?) but for now one physical dongle is enough. I use codebridge for duende plugins.
The downside to dongles is that when you have to be mobile they are vulnerable sticking out the side, or dangling somewhere in a usb hub tree. And if you lose it you have to buy every license again, the biggest downside. Albeit understandable.
The downside to dongles is that when you have to be mobile they are vulnerable sticking out the side, or dangling somewhere in a usb hub tree. And if you lose it you have to buy every license again, the biggest downside. Albeit understandable.
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- KVRAF
- 37547 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
I prefer iLok and have moved as many licenses from my elicenser to my iLok as possible. The main reason is it provides so much more protection for loss or theft if you have ZDT/TLC cover, which I do. elicenser has nothing like that. Neither have given me any problems otherwise and both systems enabled me to get my dongled plugins up and running immediately after having to change my system board, whereas some of the CR stuff took days or in one case over a week to get working again.
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- KVRAF
- 1676 posts since 17 Dec, 2002 from Yorkshire
have both. prefer syncrosoft. no actual reason. just preference.
personally i would like to have all my licenses on a hardware key. the only thing would be having realistic policies from vendors to recover them in case of physical damage or theft. i don't consider insurance schemes as a fair solution.
personally i would like to have all my licenses on a hardware key. the only thing would be having realistic policies from vendors to recover them in case of physical damage or theft. i don't consider insurance schemes as a fair solution.
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- KVRian
- 836 posts since 12 Aug, 2005
Transferring licenses with a eLicenser is a pain in the butt, but it is free. iLok is much easier to transfer licenses but costs money. They both have their issues. iLok 2 seemed to protect software for quite some time before it got cracked. Honestly, I'm not sure if iLok 2 got cracked or not, I just remember reading it over a Gearslutz about the Slate plugs about a year ago or something. I'm pretty sure Cubase is still secure though.
One thing to mention, Steinberg gives you an eLicenser with Cubase so it isn't something additional you have to buy to run Cubase.
One thing to mention, Steinberg gives you an eLicenser with Cubase so it isn't something additional you have to buy to run Cubase.
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- KVRist
- 325 posts since 24 Sep, 2012
The problem with iLok I have is their business practice. They make a habit of double and triple dipping their customers and clients.
On the client end, they charge a good amount of money to the developer for the ability to use their licensing.
On the customer end, they charge not only for the dongle but they essentially hold your licenses hostage if there is ever a failure and you don't have ZDT; a service that, in my opinion, should be free once you buy the dongle since they are already getting quite a bit of money from the client and sales of the dongle itself. Realistically, very few people would actually need to use it as flash dongles don't have a high failure rate. The theft protection is good to have but there should be a way to manage that online much like you can shut off a mobile phone if it's ever stolen, you should be able to shut down your dongle ID remotely on your own if it's ever stolen and recover your licenses from said dongle.
Instead, they capitalize as much as possible while not really considering their customers because they know they have the upper hand on it already.
I do think hardware protection has become a need as it takes much longer to get past than any other method and those who can, will. It's a sad state of affairs to be in.
On the client end, they charge a good amount of money to the developer for the ability to use their licensing.
On the customer end, they charge not only for the dongle but they essentially hold your licenses hostage if there is ever a failure and you don't have ZDT; a service that, in my opinion, should be free once you buy the dongle since they are already getting quite a bit of money from the client and sales of the dongle itself. Realistically, very few people would actually need to use it as flash dongles don't have a high failure rate. The theft protection is good to have but there should be a way to manage that online much like you can shut off a mobile phone if it's ever stolen, you should be able to shut down your dongle ID remotely on your own if it's ever stolen and recover your licenses from said dongle.
Instead, they capitalize as much as possible while not really considering their customers because they know they have the upper hand on it already.
I do think hardware protection has become a need as it takes much longer to get past than any other method and those who can, will. It's a sad state of affairs to be in.
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- KVRian
- 626 posts since 15 Jun, 2015
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- KVRAF
- 37547 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
ZDT is not exactly costly though, I'm happy with it.