Is anyone feeling Punk-Hop?

[Lady J]

Yeah I'm very wrong. I guess that is why there were so many, "Is rock dead" articles in the rock press and general music press in the 90s and today.

You will always have rock acts but most people agree the 'Rock Era' is over.

[Haghi]

I say it all started with Anthrax and RunDMC singing "Bring the noise"
White rockers playing heavy guitars together with black rappers singing



Oh and Lady J, no offense, but theres IS a world outside USA , country (EDIT: I mean the genre of music ofcourse...) means NOTHING in Europe and Hiphop and R&B are popular genres here, but go to no matter what summerfestival in Europe and Im sure you'll see enough rock bands (modern, old, whatever,...) and most of these festival are sold out, which means up to 120.000 people.

Not so long ago i saw Rainbow (Ritchie Blackmore is GOD ), Deep Purple, AC/DC, Iron Maiden, and they still can sell out a full stadium, not to mention The Boss (yeah, to me, Bruce Springsteen is Rock).

And if you say that most of the radiostations dont play rock in USA, move over to here, enough rock on the radio here. And since when do magazines tell the truth (you say that there are so many articles in the rock press stating that rock is dead)?

Ah well, after all, it IS a matter of taste and as a wise man once said: "de gustibus et coloribus non disputandum est" .

Btw 1 question: Do you consider classical music (i.e. Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, etc...) to be dead? If so, why? Because few people listen to it? Because you never hear it on the radio? Because there are almost no new artists in this genre? Because the magazines say so ?

As always, no offense intended, if so, I dont really care

[pHz]

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slainte rob

[kilroy]

Yeah I'm very wrong. I guess that is why there were so many, "Is rock dead" articles in the rock press and general music press in the 90s and today.

You will always have rock acts but most people agree the 'Rock Era' is over.

And a strange passing it was.

As a keyboardist with a deep love an appreciation for classical music I spent most of my early days playing in progressive rock, art rock, classic rock, whatever rock outfits because the range of expression, sweeping dynamic strokes, and...OK I admit it, the often excessive virtuosity, allowed me to express musically the involved complexities of my life, mind and world.




It was an awesomely inspiring vehicle...at least for me.

[Lady J]

I don't believe classical or for that matter jazz is dead, I do however think the era of their continuous evolution has passed. Music will never die so long as people still listen to it and love it. I listen to a lot of 80s rock but I do not at alll believe that that scene and era still exist despite reunion tours, club tours and the occassional festival in europe or ozzfest, etc.

What these people were saying was that the era of development in rock is over. Grunge was not so much of a development than a return to the un-virtuoso era of rock pre-80s.

What Tony and I were saying is that Rock finds itself today in a position where it risks becoming irrelevant without embracing new ideas and people.

It happened before with other music. No one wants rock to die or stagnate but it seems to be reluctant to move on and accept new ideas, technology and cultures into it.

[Sam C Spacey]

I've actually started using big rock drums in my hardcore breakdowns (no not happy hardcore). Instead of the usual DnB breakdowns I thought I'd use some huge rock drums on the last release. Works a charm

[Lunch Money]

<shrug> We each have our own perspectives.

My perspective is that journalists need to sell articles, so they'll publish any sort of crap based on conjecture and what they hear in their own personal circle of friends. Journalist X hangs out with Journalists Y and Z, plus DJ W for coffee one day. They unanimously agree (for whatever reason) "Rock... it's not doing it for me anymore" and presto, you have an idea for an article. Don't think it works that way? Talk to some journalists. Moreover, there usually aren't Journalists Y and Z, nor DJ W at that coffee table, but rather just a collection of Journalist X's cronies.

It's more than obvious that you have a penchant for electronica, and you see it as the new wave, despite that fact that you HAVE also communicated that you love rock. I'm not saying you don't. But there's way too much personal and regional bias in your observation for it to be taken as anything beyond ONE person (obviously others will share your opinion, mind... just as others will share mine) feeling that rock is dead.

Saying "Rock is Dead" is such a tired, tired cliche because it never turns out to be true. 2003 saw the return of the virtuoso guitarist. We haven't seen it in the mainstream, but read any guitar magazine and they're talking about "shred" again. Is that new? No, it's already been here. And virtuoso musicians are nothing new... remember Mozart (and other composers... I'm not that up on them)? So while it's nothing new, it signifies that it will be new to a new generation of young people-- and whether you believe it or not, personal and generational realities are all that matter. That kid could end up getting into 'shred' and take it in a new direction because it's new and fresh to him, and those 80's widdly widdlers are just as much of heroes to him/her as Hendrix or Page were to youngsters of 2 generations ago.

It doesn't even bear argument. You've demonstrated that you have a keen ear for trends, but unfortunately you're not distanced enough from them to realize that they're all just that-- trends.

Greg

[pHz]

havent read all the thread but hasnt rock always assimilated (on the periphery at least) other forms of contemporary music ???

with respect to hip-hop particularly there were a whole rash of mainstream 'rock-rap' bands in the late 80s responding to the hip-hop of that era (the chillis ... anthrax ... faith no more ... etc ... ) ...

... and so it goes on - many mainstream rock bands today are still borrowing elements (often superficially granted) from electronic forms of music ... linkin park ... korn ... lost prophets ...

... you could go further and stretch / redefine the term rock and look at the 'rock is dead' argument afresh then ... for me the prodigy are a rock band (hell - im VERY loosely aquainted with their guitarist (he teaches bass at a neighbouring school) and hes MOST DEFINITELY rock)

the wheel rolls on ...

slainte rob

[spaceman]

classical music was the first real musical expression of a culture.. born in the era of the Renaissance, it was the first complex, all-encapsulating form of musical expression ever in a time where men's knowledge multiplied exponentially.. it was the birth of modern man (so that excludes cavemen hitting each other on the head with bones). It was the birth of music and everything that followed is born out of it..

see it as the root of all music. What developed next was the stem, you can fill in yourself what genres you think belong to that, some will say blues and jazz, other people will have other opinions. All genres that keep popping up and dying again are just leafs, conforming to the laws of evolution.. some mutate, some survive, others die

that's why all these discussions are useless, you're talking about something that's extremely dynamical, in constant change. Any comparison made at one point dissolves again at a later point

[Haghi]

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You happy now!

Bully...

[spaceman]

lemme guess..


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slainte rob

[Guitarjeff]

<shrug> We each have our own perspectives.


Saying "Rock is Dead" is such a tired, tired cliche because it never turns out to be true. 2003 saw the return of the virtuoso guitarist. We haven't seen it in the mainstream, but read any guitar magazine and they're talking about "shred" again. Is that new? No, it's already been here. And virtuoso musicians are nothing new... remember Mozart (and other composers... I'm not that up on them)? So while it's nothing new, it signifies that it will be new to a new generation of young people-- and whether you believe it or not, personal and generational realities are all that matter. That kid could end up getting into 'shred' and take it in a new direction because it's new and fresh to him, and those 80's widdly widdlers are just as much of heroes to him/her as Hendrix or Page were to youngsters of 2 generations ago.

Greg

The whole thing is getting interesting because now a lot of the new "Modern" rock, all of a sudden has lead guitar all over it again. Listen to Alterbridge (basically Creed with a new singer) and you'll be amazed that the guitarist has miraculasly learned to play lead guitar overnight

I also remember seeing the guitarist/singer from Vertical Horizon playing sweep-arpeggios at the end of songs in concert.

My point? Shred never died. It just became "uncool" for a while. As a musician, why would you NOT want to master your instrument(s)? Many of these so called modern rock musicians are actually closet shredders and now they are ready to bring it out to the forefront again.

[Lunch Money]

classical music was the first real musical expression of a culture..

I'm afraid you'll be the only person on this forum who agrees with that statement. Classical music is so very, very new-- it's a wee baby-- and other cultures' musics were expressed long before European classical music came along.

Greg

[Emerald Tablet]

don`t feel like reading through this thread
but are we talking beasty boys here ?

yeah love it !

[spaceman]

classical music was the first real musical expression of a culture..

I'm afraid you'll be the only person on this forum who agrees with that statement. Classical music is so very, very new-- it's a wee baby-- and other cultures' musics were expressed long before European classical music came along.

Greg

ahaa, but in my opinion classical music was the first universal musical genre of 'modern quality and ability', just like you could say painters from around da vinci's era were the first 'modern' painters.. that's why I mentioned the Renaissance, which was the start of modern science, modern man (in my opinion)

you had enough expressions of culture in musical form before that, but they were mostly localised and content-wise completely out of touch with our modern psyche