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cytospur · Post by **cytospur** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:52 pm

Starting with being a beta tester for DUNE2, plus being a user of other synths that can utilise wavetables (such as Serum, Blofeld and Falcon), I have become unhealthily involved in wavetable research. I now have a large database of wavetables and cycles of a ridiculous size! As some of you will know, I have already released many for DUNE2 for free and will continue to do so. I'm currently in the process of converting these to Serum and Blofeld formats.

My question is would you be willing to buy in to such resources?

I have a number of ideas about how to do this, but would prefer to hear what this community thinks/wants.

Best wishes,

Mark
BTW, I've been lucky that a fair few people have donated generously towards my wavetables generation project and these will receive all future wavetables for free.

Edit: please do get in touch if you are a synth developer or patch designer. Terms will be different, but fair, for you.

Perimeter Sound · Post by **Perimeter Sound** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:36 pm

Any chance of them being converted for use with the Zebra synth in the future ?

Ridan · Post by **Ridan** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:41 pm

I would totally buy your wavetables.

cytospur · Post by **cytospur** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:41 pm

I don't know the Zebra format, but I would be willing to do so with help/info

cytospur · Post by **cytospur** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:44 pm

Ridan wrote:I would totally buy your wavetables.

I love you

Hopefully there will be enough interest to pursue this further.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:01 pm

Not to play the party pooper, but, i wouldn't. Simply because, usually, on a synth there are enough wavetables to probably keep me busy until the end of my life, Largo e.g. features a ton of wavetables already, Nave too. There are also loads of wavetables out there, available for free, so i would download those first. Then there's the Galbanum wavetables for specific synths to purchase too. Realistically, i don't think i would really fall short of stuff either already implemented in the synth, or available for free. Or the synths have wavetable editors like Serum, or Icarus.

But then, why not? I'm sure there are people out there who would buy them.

cytospur · Post by **cytospur** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:14 pm

chk071 wrote:Not to play the party pooper, but, i wouldn't. Simply because, usually, on a synth there are enough wavetables to probably keep me busy until the end of my life, Largo e.g. features a ton of wavetables already, Nave too. There are also loads of wavetables out there, available for free, so i would download those first. Then there's the Galbanum wavetables for specific synths to purchase too. Realistically, i don't think i would really fall short of stuff either already implemented in the synth, or available for free. Or the synths have wavetable editors like Serum, or Icarus.

But then, why not? I'm sure there are people out there who would buy them.

I totally see your point and have no problem. The problem I do see is that there are some poorly conceived wavetables out there often packaged along with presets that just really fail on several levels. Not always, of course. I'd like to be seen as a good quality source for wavetables. I think I have that reputation for DUNE2 to a small extent, but would now like to expand.

Edit: I guess the real point is that it's not trivial to make a good wavetable, even with an editor. I'm aiming to provide a decent low cost source.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:23 pm

cytospur wrote:I don't know the Zebra format, but I would be willing to do so with help/info

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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:35 pm

cytospur wrote:
chk071 wrote:Not to play the party pooper, but, i wouldn't. Simply because, usually, on a synth there are enough wavetables to probably keep me busy until the end of my life, Largo e.g. features a ton of wavetables already, Nave too. There are also loads of wavetables out there, available for free, so i would download those first. Then there's the Galbanum wavetables for specific synths to purchase too. Realistically, i don't think i would really fall short of stuff either already implemented in the synth, or available for free. Or the synths have wavetable editors like Serum, or Icarus.

But then, why not? I'm sure there are people out there who would buy them.
I totally see your point and have no problem. The problem I do see is that there are some poorly conceived wavetables out there often packaged along with presets that just really fail on several levels. Not always, of course. I'd like to be seen as a good quality source for wavetables. I think I have that reputation for DUNE2 to a small extent, but would now like to expand.

Edit: I guess the real point is that it's not trivial to make a good wavetable, even with an editor. I'm aiming to provide a decent low cost source.

Fair enough. Actually, when the price is right, and i'd really felt short of options in a synth which can import wavetables, i might not say no to buying some, if, as you say, the quality is good, and they sound inspiring, or i feel like i could make good use of them.

yemski · Post by **yemski** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:37 pm

cytospur wrote:
chk071 wrote:Not to play the party pooper, but, i wouldn't. Simply because, usually, on a synth there are enough wavetables to probably keep me busy until the end of my life, Largo e.g. features a ton of wavetables already, Nave too. There are also loads of wavetables out there, available for free, so i would download those first. Then there's the Galbanum wavetables for specific synths to purchase too. Realistically, i don't think i would really fall short of stuff either already implemented in the synth, or available for free. Or the synths have wavetable editors like Serum, or Icarus.

But then, why not? I'm sure there are people out there who would buy them.
I totally see your point and have no problem. The problem I do see is that there are some poorly conceived wavetables out there often packaged along with presets that just really fail on several levels. Not always, of course. I'd like to be seen as a good quality source for wavetables. I think I have that reputation for DUNE2 to a small extent, but would now like to expand.

Edit: I guess the real point is that it's not trivial to make a good wavetable, even with an editor. I'm aiming to provide a decent low cost source.

Some more good quality wavetables for Dune 2 would be of particular interest. The proposed editor for Dune 2 is still not in sight any time soon, so some good quality material for that platform would be especially welcome. What would the policy for sound designers who developed material from from your WTs be though? Because of course, if I made a new set for Dune 2 using your WTs obviously that would undercut you, since someone purchasing a set from me need not buy from you, as your WTs would be included in my release along with a bunch of new presets.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:40 pm

cytospur wrote: Edit: I guess the real point is that it's not trivial to make a good wavetable, even with an editor. I'm aiming to provide a decent low cost source.

Just like it happens with patches, I think that wavetables is a very personal thing. What is a "good wavetable" for you, can be an uninteresting thing for me. Likewise, what I consider a good wavetable can be horrible for you. That's why I fight for the presence of a wavetable editor in each wavetable synth. I like to program what I use myself, and I don't want any more "copyright issues" - the ones with sample content in ROMs are already enough IMO.

If you think you have a good product, by all means, make it available. People who value it will buy it. Some that could buy but consider it expensive may probably say so. I personally have lots of wavetables that I have been creating and collecting, and I am well served. I bought Galbanum Archtecture once because it was a package with many patches for Metasynth. Then I bought the waves, in a crossgrade. I basically never used them, and I regretted to have paid for that. I found the vast majority uninteresting and useless. And I was astonished when I saw that a payment was asked for the same package converted to another format (WTF?).

I found AKWF package much better, for example, and it is free. There are lots of wavetable packages, and wave packages available for free. Besides, with Audio-Term, you can come up with very good wavetables out of almost nothing. And creating them is even a lot of fun

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:42 pm

yemski wrote: What would the policy for sound designers who developed material from from your WTs be though? Because of course, if I made a new set for Dune 2 using your WTs obviously that would undercut you, since someone purchasing a set from me need not buy from you, as your WTs would be included in my release along with a bunch of new presets.

And here is the can of worms uncovered

cytospur · Post by **cytospur** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:51 pm

yemski wrote:
cytospur wrote:
chk071 wrote:Not to play the party pooper, but, i wouldn't. Simply because, usually, on a synth there are enough wavetables to probably keep me busy until the end of my life, Largo e.g. features a ton of wavetables already, Nave too. There are also loads of wavetables out there, available for free, so i would download those first. Then there's the Galbanum wavetables for specific synths to purchase too. Realistically, i don't think i would really fall short of stuff either already implemented in the synth, or available for free. Or the synths have wavetable editors like Serum, or Icarus.

But then, why not? I'm sure there are people out there who would buy them.
I totally see your point and have no problem. The problem I do see is that there are some poorly conceived wavetables out there often packaged along with presets that just really fail on several levels. Not always, of course. I'd like to be seen as a good quality source for wavetables. I think I have that reputation for DUNE2 to a small extent, but would now like to expand.

Edit: I guess the real point is that it's not trivial to make a good wavetable, even with an editor. I'm aiming to provide a decent low cost source.
Some more good quality wavetables for Dune 2 would be of particular interest. The proposed editor for Dune 2 is still not in sight any time soon, so some good quality material for that platform would be especially welcome. What would the policy for sound designers who developed material from from your WTs be though? Because of course, if I made a new set for Dune 2 using your WTs obviously that would undercut you, since someone purchasing a set from me need not buy from you, as your WTs would be included in my release along with a bunch of new presets.

There would, of course, be a premium for that. Contact me if you would like to discuss that further

cytospur · Post by **cytospur** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:52 pm

fmr wrote:
yemski wrote: What would the policy for sound designers who developed material from from your WTs be though? Because of course, if I made a new set for Dune 2 using your WTs obviously that would undercut you, since someone purchasing a set from me need not buy from you, as your WTs would be included in my release along with a bunch of new presets.
And here is the can of worms uncovered

Not really, although I see your point

Yorrrrrr · Post by **Yorrrrrr** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:53 pm

Yes, I would

Do you or would you buy wavetables?