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Torchlight · Post by **Torchlight** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:39 pm

Is there any chance of an enhanced version of the Legend featuring more modern synth features such as LFOs, Arps and the like?

Yorrrrrr · Post by **Yorrrrrr** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:41 pm

I personally would be so happy if they just added a basic LFO, velocity and aftertouch. Just like the 2016 Model D reissue. But it's already an amazing synthesizer as it is, in terms of sound and behavior.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:51 pm

Yorrrrrr wrote:I personally would be so happy if they just added a basic LFO, velocity and aftertouch.

As i said earlier, while it would be nice for The Legend to have these features, it is possible for you to have these features on the synth (or any other VST instrument) right now, just with some workarounds.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:32 pm

Mutant wrote:
Yorrrrrr wrote:I personally would be so happy if they just added a basic LFO, velocity and aftertouch.
As i said earlier, while it would be nice for The Legend to have these features, it is possible for you to have these features on the synth (or any other VST instrument) right now, just with some workarounds.

In Live 9 some of the Max4Live modules are helpful there (including LFO, envelope, velocity, a step sequencer etc.) and it indeed works here. An Arp is directly included with the built-in Live 9 MIDI plugins.
You could even use muliple M4L LFOs and envelope modules in the same instance of The Legend.

In Bitwig adding a LFO is quite simple too (the module there has 2 LFOs).

fluffy_little_something · Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:37 pm

A basic LFO is already somewhere in there I suppose

Velocity sensitivity would make sense, yes, and it would not change the character of the emulation, much less so than the added poly mode in my view.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:45 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:A basic LFO is already somewhere in there I suppose

Osc 3 in "LO" octave and Osc 3 key tracking set to off, like in the real thing...

Yorrrrrr · Post by **Yorrrrrr** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:03 pm

Additional LFO allows to use the third oscillator freely, not having to sacrifice it. It's just added flexibility. But more important to me it would be the velocity and aftertouch, for greater expressiveness, for the synth players and performers.

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:45 pm

Again: You cannot have velocity control on a minimoog unless you sacrifice one of its main features.

Thats why its not there, otherwise im sure it would be.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:16 pm

Yorrrrrr wrote:I personally would be so happy if they just added a basic LFO, velocity and aftertouch. Just like the 2016 Model D reissue. But it's already an amazing synthesizer as it is, in terms of sound and behavior.

+1

rsp

Torchlight · Post by **Torchlight** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:37 pm

ENV1 wrote:Again: You cannot have velocity control on a minimoog unless you sacrifice one of its main features.

Could you explain this?

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:05 pm

Torchlight wrote:
ENV1 wrote:Again: You cannot have velocity control on a minimoog unless you sacrifice one of its main features.
Could you explain this?

I did some pages back, but anyhow, in a nutshell:

The minimoog has this 'voltage-accumulation' thing where the faster you keep hitting a key the more the filter opens.

(How pronounced this is depends on the VCF Decay.)

The emulation emulates this behavior, thus if you had velocity control at the same time it would interfere with this original behavior.

Yorrrrrr · Post by **Yorrrrrr** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:14 pm

Indeed. Didn't think about that, sorry. If you hit a key repeatedly, the filter envelope amount seem to add up. Nico Herz (Bigtone) explained that earlier. I love how the developers emulated the Model D in such great detail.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:56 pm

From the new Model D

"KEYBOARD
A Fatar TP-9 keyboard has been implemented with the ability to transmit both After-Pressure and
Velocity control voltages. While these signals are not hard wired to any specific parameter, the
expanded Top Patch Panel allows Velocity and After Pressure signals to modify the Filter Cutoff
Frequency, Loudness and Oscillator Pitch"

Does it therefore not fully be able to replicate the much older versions?

edit: oh it isn't necessarily used in the way we normally use velocity these days... it has to be patched in and can be used as a further modifier if we choose.
rsp

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:37 am

I'm comparing Diva to Legend and the interesting part is, that there is more detuning with the Legend. To create a similar sound with Diva I must detune one oscillator with about 0,21.

Diva
Legend

fluffy_little_something · Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:47 am

And one can hear it, Diva sounds clearly more detuned, maybe you overdid it

Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!