Maybe Someday...

[harryupbabble]

But the point you seem to be making is that people who don't have the aptitude or are not built for certain endeavours could overcome their inaptness given a great teacher or mentor. If aptitude is semi-irrelevant and training is foremost then why are "specialists" rare? Why are people like Mozart rare. Surely there must be better teachers than Mozart's father? And why are there such people as "talent scouts"? People just don't get to be astronauts? It's like you are saying there are no limits, everyone can become qualified for anything. But then NASA rejects applicants all the time?

For example, if you want tasks to be done that only the sociopath's brain can do (not be affected by emotions, etc), can you train normal people to be as cold-blooded as sociopaths? Is the sociopath's brain able to become not being a sociopath? Brain plasticity has limits? Sure, science could possibly solve or overcome those limits of brain plasticity eventually, but as it is now, in one's lifetime, it seems to me, for example, rather than training people to become sociopaths (if that is the desire) why not just hire sociopaths (for Wall Street job types, for example) and skip all that training with a normal person. Wall Street need sociopaths? The world has use for sociopaths? Debatable? Training/honing built-in talent/aptitude seems better than training people who don't have that certain aptitude.

If you are in the sheep business, why bother training sled dogs when the border collie can do the job of herding sheep much much better already? Some people just can't rap, for example, no matter how much training? That's debatable too, I guess.

Nothing against training or hard work here. Just have doubts about the limits of training and the choosing of what job or what art to train for. I mean what if one is not qualified to judge one's potentials let alone other people's potentials? What if talent scouts, parents, teachers, etc, are not always right? I would rather have an impartial judge... like an accurate brain scan. But since that kind of brain scan is not quite here yet or maybe never will be, I guess people will just have to stick with the thing they deem they love doing most and think are good at or can be good at or simply can be or already happy at. But it's sad that the choices might actually be much broader and people are just settling for what they think is best for them. And it may not be. Best, I mean.

Okay, I think I am just repeating myself and being insane and so I will take myself off the loop but who knows maybe if I, and other people, read this thread 3 years from now, if it is still here, I/we may find "dude you were so wrong and some of those guys were so right". But no matter, different people have different way of thinking and it can be delicious mental-wise and so I hope there is more input. And so thanks again, for the input, fellow humans.

[Hink]

^^^^^^^^^^just for the record if you feel your thread has run it's course you do have the power to lock your own thread, you cannot undo this however but you do have that power (I have no idea if I can unlock it tbh)

[fmr]

But the point you seem to be making is that people who don't have the aptitude or are not built for certain endeavours could overcome their inaptness given a great teacher or mentor. If aptitude is semi-irrelevant and training is foremost then why are "specialists" rare? Why are people like Mozart rare. Surely there must be better teachers than Mozart's father? And why are there such people as "talent scouts"? People just don't get to be astronauts? It's like you are saying there are no limits, everyone can become qualified for anything. But then NASA rejects applicants all the time?

Geesh, I know nothing about NASA, so, I can't say a word about what they're doing, much less opinate about the evental fairness or flaw of their recruitment. Regarding the talent scouts, well, it's very simple, If we want to train someone to be a champion of gymnastics, why not choose the ones that "look" better qualified physically for the task? Of course, there is no guarantee that one less qualified would not achieve more, but ANY individual scouted in an early age, and providing he is well trained (and really conforms to the training, because if the individual resists, simply because, in spite of his(hers inherent qualities he/she simply doesn't feel like it) then he/she will reach the level of excelence.

Regarding Mozart (an obsession to many, although I don't know why) actually here have been many Mozarts in many subjects. Heck, he isn't even the best composer ever, IMO. Prodigy children are not that rare. Simply, many even don't get the training, and simply become regular (or even problematic) adults. Mozart was a (rarer) coincidence of prodigy born child with proper nurture (IMO, of course)

For example, if you want tasks to be done that only the sociopath's brain can do (not be affected by emotions, etc), can you train normal people to be as cold-blooded as sociopaths? Is the sociopath's brain able to become not being a sociopath? Brain plasticity has limits? Sure, science could possibly solve or overcome those limits of brain plasticity eventually, but as it is now, in one's lifetime, it seems to me, for example, rather than training people to become sociopaths (if that is the desire) why not just hire sociopaths (for Wall Street job types, for example) and skip all that training with a normal person. Wall Street need sociopaths? The world has use for sociopaths? Debatable? Training/honing built-in talent/aptitude seems better than training people who don't have that certain aptitude.

Well, army forces and spy agencies seem to think they can (and many corportions too, or so it seems). Some special forces and spies receive special training (at least for what is the common popular knowledge) to become "kind of" sociopaths. The best they get into the role the beter they succeed in their tasks S yeah, even at THAT relatively dark level, training is an important issue. Besides, what is a sociopath? Do you believe there are children born sociopaths? Os that some unfortunate circumstances twist their minds and moral values so that they BECOME sociopaths?

If you are in the sheep business, why bother training sled dogs when the border collie can do the job of herding sheep much much better already? Some people just can't rap, for example, no matter how much training? That's debatable too, I guess.

I know nothing about dogs specialties. But what I know is that there are many greeds that are capable of sheparding, not just one. Also, there are dogs that seem to be more for fighting, and dogs that are more for hunting. And dogs that simply I don't have the slightest idea why they exist, since they seem to have no utility at all. Here in Portugal we even have a greed specialized in fishing (water dog - I think it's the dog that Obama took for the White House)

Anyway, dogs are a men's product. Apparently, they all come from wolves that were twisted during thousands of years to become what we now know as dogs. Again, all this is a mistery to me, but dogs brain doesn't seem to be the brightest among non humans, anyway (the fact they see a man as the leader of the pack seems to be an argument to support that)

Rap? Seriously? So what?

Sheers

[Numanoid]

if you feel your thread has run it's course you do have the power to lock your own thread

Maybe Someday he will close it

[Musicisbest]

Brain scan or make some music....

I vote is do both, simultaneously, there must be an app for that.

[harryupbabble]

if you feel your thread has run it's course you do have the power to lock your own thread

Maybe Someday he will close it

This is not a reply regarding the topic. I think I have run out of things to say in that regards.

It's just to state... I have never ever closed any of my threads and most likely never will. I view my threads and other people's threads as a kind of think tank. I can't think like everyone and so knowing everyone's or at least how some particular people think is kind of useful. If I close my thread, people cannot do anymore inputting.

It's like I could search Google for answers (and I do) but I kind of like KVR members' inputs better because KVR is, presumedly, populated by musical and mathematical types and some people here can dumb their input down to my level whereas at Google a lot of the "answers" can be quite complex and one can't interact or ask follow-up questions with articles in Google.

[Numanoid]

if you feel your thread has run it's course you do have the power to lock your own thread

Maybe Someday he will close it

This is not a reply regarding the topic.

I lack one myself, but having a sense of humour has never hurt anybody as far as I understand

[harryupbabble]

Well, admittedly, I find a lot of your posts (and others') humourous and so I guess I have some kind of sense of humour. But sometimes your posts are so short. No objection here. But then you seem to think that the 3 word thread is insane. That thread can be quite a challenge creatively-wise. No? Some people just have the aptitude for it? I don't think I do. How about you?

[harryupbabble]

Also by "this is not a reply regarding the topic" i meant my post, the one addressing your post. I didn't mean your post.

[harryupbabble]

Okay, bye for now, seriously. Damn, I think I found another addiction.

[Numanoid]

But then you seem to think that the 3 word thread is insane.

It is a fun game for a fortnight, but when some users are going at it dozen times a day 3 years later, that is my conclusion

That thread can be quite a challenge creatively-wise.

Nope, just think of a four letter word and post that alongside two more

No? Some people just have the aptitude for it? I don't think I do. How about you?

The real challenge is to participate in "regular" conversation, like what "made you happy" or "what pissed you off" today. Actually sharing some of your day to day experience

Not hiding behind some wry 3 words, that some use like a shield, it is all a bad joke to them, too bad they can't see it themselves

And too bad a mod like Hink just can't move it to Off Topic classics to get it out of the way

[Hink]

because no one else as far as I know has ever complained about that thread, again I just became a mod and that has been around three years. No other mod has moved it so that is the benchmark I am going by. Meffy use to break up the threads, I believe in the Sell & Buy forum (I think the gossip thread) Meffy explains he broke up long threads because they jammed up his older machine, I believe this is at least the second 3 word thread. What are you thinking about was done the same way and he always had someone new start the next one and make up a new name

[mcnoone]

"Geniuses are made, not born"

This is incorrect.
Geniuses like all other people are most certainly born.
Not to mention that cultural relativism is a long gone dead idea.
The only thing relative is ones physical position.
You can say that culture is relational, but it most certainly is not relative.
It is also shown that there are many factors that go into creating geniuses, and the biological aspects are just as important as the nurturing influences, and that the biological influences also predate the cultural ones, where their influences are still helping to make winners and losers of us all to this day.

[Numanoid]

deleted because I am a troll asking about the process of how KVR mods are selected

[Hink]

I just became a mod

So when was the election for a new mod at KVR held?

I guess I must have missed it?

Who were the candidates?

As a registered user one would hope to be able to vote in an election ,,,

now you're just derailing the thread and for some reason trolling me.