Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[fluffy_little_something]

The minimoog has this 'voltage-accumulation' thing where the faster you keep hitting a key the more the filter opens.

(How pronounced this is depends on the VCF Decay.)

The emulation emulates this behavior, thus if you had velocity control at the same time it would interfere with this original behavior.

Just tried it, seemed more like the opposite, the first time I played a key it was more open than the following times

And when that behavior concerns the filter cutoff, why would that get in the way of velocity sensitivity for the amp? It's two different things...

[4damind]

And one can hear it, Diva sounds clearly more detuned, maybe you overdid it

Still testing... it seems 0,16 is a better detune value

[fluffy_little_something]

A basic LFO is already somewhere in there I suppose

Osc 3 in "LO" octave and Osc 3 key tracking set to off, like in the real thing...

Hehe, with two of the pulse waveforms it serves to emulate the heartbeat Maybe that's why those waveforms are called pulse

[ENV1]

Just tried it, seemed more like the opposite, the first time I played a key it was more open than the following times

I gave you the facts, thats all i can do.

And when that behavior concerns the filter cutoff, why would that get in the way of velocity sensitivity for the amp? It's two different things...

Two different things, but connected. Because the way you have to hit keys for the VCF envelope to start accumulating voltage is obviously going to have an effect on a velocity controlled VCA too, thus unless you defeat the original behavior of the VCF envelope there will be an unresolvable disparity between the two means of control.


PS: Heres some audio demonstrating the voltage accumulation effect. The faster the key is hit the more voltage accumulates and the more it drives the VCF open. (Ive put some resonance on it too so you can hear it even more clearly.)

Audio.zip

[fluffy_little_something]

OK, with that sound it is easy to hear, I had tried the wrong kind of sound...

Authentic or not, I don't like that behavior. Was it deliberate on the hardware, or a design issue?

Just noticed that the filter envelope release is the key to that behavior. My patch yesterday had a very short release time, but the longer the release times, the clearer that filter opening effect.

[ENV1]

OK, with that sound it is easy to hear, I had tried the wrong kind of sound...

Authentic or not, I don't like that behavior. Was it deliberate on the hardware, or a design issue?

Far as i know it was a design choice.

And yes, it can get in the way badly, ive lost count how many times i wished it could be turned off.

(Arturias, obviously.)

[PAK]

And one can hear it, Diva sounds clearly more detuned, maybe you overdid it

Still testing... it seems 0,16 is a better detune value

Keep in mind Diva can be detuned with the 8x3 individual voice controls, its calibration amount setting, as well as stack, before you even get to the actual oscillator detune controls themselves. The glide curve, if glide's on, might also influence a bit without sounding obviously "glidey".

In Monark the equivalent setting would be A through C on its 2nd panel.

[ENV1]

Just noticed that the filter envelope release is the key to that behavior. My patch yesterday had a very short release time, but the longer the release times, the clearer that filter opening effect.

On the real machine its Decay because there is no individual Release.

(Thats what i meant yesterday, forgetting that Legend has ADSRs rather than ADSs.)

[fluffy_little_something]

The complete envelopes are quite a departure from the original. Unlike with poly mode or effects, you can't simply switch them off. In theory it should be possible to generate exactly the same envelopes, but it might not be that easy due to the way the phases interact with each other.
I remember an Oberheim emulation, which also had those more basic envelopes, didn't like them much.

[4damind]

And one can hear it, Diva sounds clearly more detuned, maybe you overdid it

Still testing... it seems 0,16 is a better detune value

Keep in mind Diva can be detuned with the 8x3 individual voice controls, its calibration amount setting, as well as stack, before you even get to the actual oscillator detune controls themselves. The glide curve, if glide's on, might also influence a bit without sounding obviously "glidey".

In Monark the equivalent setting would be A through C on its 2nd panel.

Yes, I've played also a bit with the trimmers.
I don't know if there is a Diva template for the Minimoog D because the template for the Minimono and Minipoly are too clean compared to the Legend. It's seems that detuning/shifting makes the difference.

[ENV1]

Forget

Forgotten.

(I saw your original text so you probably hadnt seen that ive responded to that matter one post above yours.)

[fluffy_little_something]

Forget

Forgotten.

(I saw your original text so you probably hadnt seen that ive responded to that matter one post above yours.)

Indeed

[v1o]

Teksonik how do I convert your patches to the RE format?

[v1o]

Is there any chance of an enhanced version of the Legend featuring more modern synth features such as LFOs, Arps and the like?

You can use your DAW to do all of that. And then there is always Dune 2.

[AnX]

Teksonik how do I convert your patches to the RE format?

Visually copy them