Arturia synth development.

[fmr]

To each his own.

If only others had that attitude. We could all have a decent discussion about the actual synths.

You mean, attitude like when someone writes:

Never liked arturia, never will. I think they all sound the same, I think they half ass a lot of the software, and I honestly put them on the third shelf their with tone 2. Cutting corners where ever possible to get away with it. Filters all sound the same to me. A buddy of mine likes say they have more bugs than an elephant carcass.

Not only this guy has to to make some serious exam on his ears, he is also being totaly unfair and prejudicial to both Arturia and Tone 2 (never will ). I had my issues with Tone 2, yet I never said their synths are in the "third shelf" (whatever that means, but to me is not a good thing).

Anyway, Arturia had a period of almost obnubilation in the software chapter, mainly due, IMO, to the leaving of some key developers and their investment in Origin (which was not a success, and damaged the company financially). Fortunatley, Spark, and especially Minibrute got them on track again, in terms of company, and they seem to being reinvesting in software again, with new developers, and and I have sincere hopes for the future. It's not only Synvlavier (which was in a big part developed outside) but also their atempts on PM. Although these are still not top notch, there are positive signs.

[Robmobius]

One other thing.

Name me the synths that do these better, accurate or not.

CS 80V3
SEM V3
ARP 2600 V3
Synclavier V3

I'll buy 'em right this very second.

But again it's really down to what you want or need. I don't really want any of them, except for the Synclavier. And give me Diva or the Legend over the SEM V (which I own). Diva may not sound like a SEM but I prefer its sound when I want analog emulation.

As I was saying to the taste ruler earlier - Id doesn't matter if there's no direct competition, if you don't really want their synths, or you prefer the sound of something else.

But if people like them, then they can buy away. It's all good.

[chk071]

Be happy that beholder didn't find this thread yet.

"DUDE!! EVERYONE KNOW THAT ARTURIA IS CRAPMULATION!!!"

[wagtunes]

One other thing.

Name me the synths that do these better, accurate or not.

CS 80V3
SEM V3
ARP 2600 V3
Synclavier V3

I'll buy 'em right this very second.

But again it's really down to what you want or need. I don't really want any of them, except for the Synclavier. And give me Diva or the Legend over the SEM V (which I own). Diva may not sound like a SEM but I prefer its sound when I want analog emulation.

As I was saying to the taste ruler earlier - Id doesn't matter if there's no direct competition, if you don't really want their synths, or you prefer the sound of something else.

But if people like them, then they can buy away. It's all good.

Okay, great. You don't want any of them. Understood. But where does someone turn to if they want a CS 80 emulation? What's better?

[fmr]

And give me Diva or the Legend over the SEM V (which I own). Diva may not sound like a SEM but I prefer its sound when I want analog emulation.

Analog emulation of what? DIVA is not "emulating" anything, neither did it even have the modules to properly match the SEM (just the filter). DIVA is a software "impersonation" of anlogues. It's like an actor playing a role. It's not the same thing, nor did U-He ever pretend it was.

It's a great synth, though. I agree. I jumped on it in the public beta stage still.

[chk071]

And give me Diva or the Legend over the SEM V (which I own). Diva may not sound like a SEM but I prefer its sound when I want analog emulation.

Analog emulation of what? DIVA is not "emulating" anything, neither did it even have the modules to properly match the SEM (just the fiter). DIVA is a software "impersonation" of anlogues. It's like an actor playing a role. It's not the same thing, nor did U-He ever pretend it was.

That is a bit humbug though, isn't it? Of course the single components were modelled after the known synths. It is just that the architecture wasn't strictly built to fit the design of the modelled synths, but, rather so, that you can exchange modules, and have an universal design, so that several synths can be modelled. But, it is just fair to compare it to other analog emulations, because it DOES emulate the respective analog synths too.

[wagtunes]

Eh, know what? I'm bored today. This is all nonsense and I'm gonna prove it.

Later.

[fmr]

And give me Diva or the Legend over the SEM V (which I own). Diva may not sound like a SEM but I prefer its sound when I want analog emulation.

Analog emulation of what? DIVA is not "emulating" anything, neither did it even have the modules to properly match the SEM (just the fiter). DIVA is a software "impersonation" of anlogues. It's like an actor playing a role. It's not the same thing, nor did U-He ever pretend it was.

That is a bit humbug though, isn't it? Of course the single components were modelled after the known synths. It is just that the architecture wasn't strictly built to fit the design of the modelled synths, but, rather so, that you can exchange modules, and have an universal design, so that several synths can be modelled. But, it is just fair to compare it to other analog emulations, because it DOES emulate the respective analog synths too.

No, because DIVA don't have evrything of each synth (it has oscillators filters and envelopes of the Jupiter-8 and the Minimoog, but but not the LFOs, for example, the chorus doesn't match the Juno-60 chorus, and the envelopes neither, and even in those that it has more components from, it isn't calibrated to emulate any of them (because it is calibrated to to allow mix and match, which is it's biggest strenght, IMO).

For example, if you configure DIVA to emulate the Jupiter-8, and then use a Jupiter-8 patch sheet to recreate a certain patch. you will not make it. You will have to make it by hear, and in some patches you may not even be able to do that. For Juno-60 too. For SEM, it is basically impossible to have an exact match, because it doesn't sound the same right from the oscillators - compare it for example, with OB-Xd (and even this is not a perfect emulation either, but is closer).

So, it DOES NOT emulate those synths. An emulation has to allow a one for one parameter matching, otherwise it's not an amulation. And you have that with Arturia emulations. If you pick a Minimoog or a Jupiter-8 patch sheet and you use the same parameters in Minimoog V our Jup-8 V, the sound will be be very close to the sound of a hardware Minimoog or Jupiter-8 (even with filters "sounding all the same").

[sacer]

that is the main point, since i have other synths from u-he, xils-lab and gforce, i don't use arturia in actual projects, I only use spark and i have reprogrammed my presets for miniv in the legend and will it also do when re-pro comes out.
For the money you get a lot of synths, but the money for updating my v4 collection to V5 doesn't give me any value, if i like the sound from a lot of other synths much more.
I spent years in programming patches for their classic synths and would like to go on if it would sound bether. I redo a lot of tutorials especialy for comlex ones like modular, arp2600 and cv80.
Years ago i hadn't much synths so it was a good offer and the sound was aceptable, and the update from v3 to v4 was a now brainer for $100, because i was able to sell my spark software.
Now I am familiar with some of their their synths, i never owned a minimog, but all adjustements sounds nearly identical on monark, diva, minimonsta and the legend.
Diva, the legend and monark are not only louder, they sound living and arturia sounds static like an old sampletank 2 rompler.
I only hope that Arturia reads this thread and thinks about updating their engine too.
I don't want to step through their 5000 presets when other familiar synths from other companies blow me away.
It would make sense for me to recode them, because I think i am not the only one who spent years with these synths and would like to continue if they would come soundwise close to their competitiors.
The topic is arturias soft synht development, so i am only afraid that the GUI and a new filter in the miniv was the only further development, because they promised again much more new features, when v5 came out.
I think they have lost the technology in software.

[EvilDragon]

But where does someone turn to if they want a CS 80 emulation? What's better?

ME-80. I find it sounds warmer and just better overall.

[chk071]

And give me Diva or the Legend over the SEM V (which I own). Diva may not sound like a SEM but I prefer its sound when I want analog emulation.

Analog emulation of what? DIVA is not "emulating" anything, neither did it even have the modules to properly match the SEM (just the fiter). DIVA is a software "impersonation" of anlogues. It's like an actor playing a role. It's not the same thing, nor did U-He ever pretend it was.

That is a bit humbug though, isn't it? Of course the single components were modelled after the known synths. It is just that the architecture wasn't strictly built to fit the design of the modelled synths, but, rather so, that you can exchange modules, and have an universal design, so that several synths can be modelled. But, it is just fair to compare it to other analog emulations, because it DOES emulate the respective analog synths too.

No, because DIVA don't have evrything of each synth (it has oscillators filters and envelopes of the Jupiter-8 and the Minimoog, but but not the LFOs, for example, the chorus doesn't match the Juno-60 chorus, and the envelopes neither, and even in those that it has more components from, it isn't calibrated to emulate any of them (because it is calibrated to to allow mix and match, which is it's biggest strenght, IMO).

For example, if you configure DIVA to emulate the Jupiter-8, and then use a Jupiter-8 patch sheet to recreate a certain patch. you will not make it. You will have to make it by hear, and in some patches you may not even be able to do that. For Juno-60 too. For SEM, it is basically impossible to have an exact match, because it doesn't sound the same right from the oscillators - compare it for example, with OB-Xd (and even this is not a perfect emulation either, but is closer).

So, it DOES NOT emulate those synths. An emulation has to allow a one for one parameter matching, otherwise it's not an amulation. And you have that with Arturia emulations. If you pick a Minimoog or a Jupiter-8 patch sheet and you use the same parameters in Minimoog V our Jup-8 V, the sound will be be very close to the sound of a hardware Minimoog or Jupiter-8 (even with filters "sounding all the same").

Well, it emulates different components of the synths. Of course you can't go by patch sheet, dial in the parameter values, and get the same sound, i'm aware of that (that holds true for even specific emulations too, try to dial in the same values in an Arturia synths, and what comes out will vastly differ from the original sound). Yet, you will be able to get at least to 95-99 % the same sound, if you program it right, thus it can be compared to other software emulation. And i highly doubt that Diva would be as successful and popular as it is, if it was just marketed as a synth which doesn't emulate anything particular really. So, considering that it has the Minimoog osc's, filter, the Oberheim osc's and filters, the JP-8k osc's and so on, of course, people will use it to emulate that sound.

[wagtunes]

But where does someone turn to if they want a CS 80 emulation? What's better?

ME-80. I find it sounds warmer and just better overall.

Well, I demo'd it. One, I don't like the interface nearly as much as the updated Arturia one. Two, I don't think the sounds are all that much different, if at all. It's not like the ME-80 blows me away. It doesn't. Three, the ME-80, at least on my system, is buggier than the Arturia. So ultimately, I didn't buy the ME-80. Forget that, price wise, the Arturia is also cheaper if bought in the entire collection. May even be cheaper if bought separately but I'm not sure.

Same with Time Warps 2600. I don't think it's nearly as good as the Arturia and it's damn expensive to boot.

[Kumi_27]

I didn't buy the ME-80. Forget that, price wise, the Arturia is also cheaper if bought in the entire collection. May even be cheaper if bought separately but I'm not sure.

Not a chance. ME80 is 40$, Arturia's CS80V is 149€

Same with Time Warps 2600. I don't think it's nearly as good as the Arturia and it's damn expensive to boot.

Well, today I can buy TimewARP 2600 for ~63€ at PluginBoutique, when ARP2600 V is also 149€

So only whole V-collection is cheaper per instrument, being 29€ for each

[wagtunes]

I didn't buy the ME-80. Forget that, price wise, the Arturia is also cheaper if bought in the entire collection. May even be cheaper if bought separately but I'm not sure.

Not a chance. ME80 is 40$, Arturia's CS80V is 149€

Same with Time Warps 2600. I don't think it's nearly as good as the Arturia and it's damn expensive to boot.

Well, today I can buy TimewARP 2600 for ~63€ at PluginBoutique, when ARP2600 V is also 149€

So only whole V-collection is cheaper per instrument, being 29€ for each

And that is why the V Collection is such an amazing value. For me, especially with the larger GUIs, it was a no brainer.

[Robmobius]

But where does someone turn to if they want a CS 80 emulation? What's better?

ME-80. I find it sounds warmer and just better overall.

I've never tried that. I must check it out...