Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[bronxsound]

Correct me if I'm wrong. With a dongle, in the case of a computer crash, you can just reinstall your system, reinstall the software, put the dongle back in your machine and you're back up and running just like that, correct?

With a soft license (I assume this actually resides on your computer) you have to contact the developer or go back to the site or do something to get your license back because it's now gone, correct?

So what am I missing here? I wish every one of my synths licenses were stored on a dongle so I wouldn't have to worry about this stuff.

^heretic

[msvs]

dongle surely has some advantages when it comes to re-installations... but like I said, I can understand the people who are travelling a lot and do not like dongles.

[Robmobius]

dongle surely has some advantages when it comes to re-installations... but like I said, I can understand the people who are travelling a lot and do not like dongles.

Definitely, I have an ilok and have had no problems with it. But I guess one dongle is enough (for me anyway).

[Ingonator]

Correct me if I'm wrong. With a dongle, in the case of a computer crash, you can just reinstall your system, reinstall the software, put the dongle back in your machine and you're back up and running just like that, correct?

With a soft license (I assume this actually resides on your computer) you have to contact the developer or go back to the site or do something to get your license back because it's now gone, correct?

So what am I missing here? I wish every one of my synths licenses were stored on a dongle so I wouldn't have to worry about this stuff.

Well, the last time i re-installed my desktop PC the copy protection for the plugins that use an eLicenser dongle or iLok 2 dongle were the fastest to re-install. I just had to install the corresponding license manager software for those.

Installing the Tone2 key files was simple too. I just added them to the vstplugins folder and done.

[lolilol1975]

Correct me if I'm wrong. With a dongle, in the case of a computer crash, you can just reinstall your system, reinstall the software, put the dongle back in your machine and you're back up and running just like that, correct?

With a soft license (I assume this actually resides on your computer) you have to contact the developer or go back to the site or do something to get your license back because it's now gone, correct?

So what am I missing here? I wish every one of my synths licenses were stored on a dongle so I wouldn't have to worry about this stuff.

What you're missing ?

The fact that each time you want to use a synth, you need to look for the appropriate dongle and insert it in a USB port.
Potentially 2 dongle products = 2 USB ports used.

The fact that when you lose your dongle, or if it breaks (this happens) you can no longer use any of your synths until you buy a new dongle for $30 and have to wait a week for it to arrive by snail mail. Fantastic.
There is a reason why people hate dongles.

[wagtunes]

Correct me if I'm wrong. With a dongle, in the case of a computer crash, you can just reinstall your system, reinstall the software, put the dongle back in your machine and you're back up and running just like that, correct?

With a soft license (I assume this actually resides on your computer) you have to contact the developer or go back to the site or do something to get your license back because it's now gone, correct?

So what am I missing here? I wish every one of my synths licenses were stored on a dongle so I wouldn't have to worry about this stuff.

What you're missing ?

The fact that each time you want to use a synth, you need to look for the appropriate dongle and insert it in a USB port.
Potentially 2 dongle products = 2 USB ports used.

The fact that when you lose your dongle, or it breaks you can no longer use any of your synths until you buy a new dongle. Fantastic.
There is a reason people hate dongles.

Well, let's see...

1) I have this white little box like adapter that goes in my USB port. It has enough slots in it to put 4 dongles. Hmmm, don't see this as a problem.

2) I only have 2 dongles. One is for iLok stuff (EWQL, etc.) and the other is for eLicensor stuff (Cubase, etc.) They stay in my USB port constantly. I don't move them. I don't yank on them. I don't even touch them. There is no reason for them to "break"

So I am still not seeing the problem.

[Robmobius]

There is no reason for them to "break"

Everything breaks, just give it enough time...

[lolilol1975]

Correct me if I'm wrong. With a dongle, in the case of a computer crash, you can just reinstall your system, reinstall the software, put the dongle back in your machine and you're back up and running just like that, correct?

With a soft license (I assume this actually resides on your computer) you have to contact the developer or go back to the site or do something to get your license back because it's now gone, correct?

So what am I missing here? I wish every one of my synths licenses were stored on a dongle so I wouldn't have to worry about this stuff.

What you're missing ?

The fact that each time you want to use a synth, you need to look for the appropriate dongle and insert it in a USB port.
Potentially 2 dongle products = 2 USB ports used.

The fact that when you lose your dongle, or it breaks you can no longer use any of your synths until you buy a new dongle. Fantastic.
There is a reason people hate dongles.

Well, let's see...

1) I have this white little box like adapter that goes in my USB port. It has enough slots in it to put 4 dongles. Hmmm, don't see this as a problem.

2) I only have 2 dongles. One is for iLok stuff (EWQL, etc.) and the other is for eLicensor stuff (Cubase, etc.) They stay in my USB port constantly. I don't move them. I don't yank on them. I don't even touch them. There is no reason for them to "break"

So I am still not seeing the problem.

1) You don't see it as a problem ? Good for you. I do. I don't want to have to buy a hub just for dongles. Much less transport one with my laptop. Plus some dongles are designed not to work on hubs.

2) Because you don't move, I do. My laptop also has my DAW. I don't effin want its 3 USB ports to be clogged by dongles. And I certainly don't want to have to transport them and worry about them. You lose your dongle ? You lose your software.

So with dongles, forget about going mobile. Which means you avoid using dongled software in your projects altogether.

[wagtunes]

Correct me if I'm wrong. With a dongle, in the case of a computer crash, you can just reinstall your system, reinstall the software, put the dongle back in your machine and you're back up and running just like that, correct?

With a soft license (I assume this actually resides on your computer) you have to contact the developer or go back to the site or do something to get your license back because it's now gone, correct?

So what am I missing here? I wish every one of my synths licenses were stored on a dongle so I wouldn't have to worry about this stuff.

What you're missing ?

The fact that each time you want to use a synth, you need to look for the appropriate dongle and insert it in a USB port.
Potentially 2 dongle products = 2 USB ports used.

The fact that when you lose your dongle, or it breaks you can no longer use any of your synths until you buy a new dongle. Fantastic.
There is a reason people hate dongles.

Well, let's see...

1) I have this white little box like adapter that goes in my USB port. It has enough slots in it to put 4 dongles. Hmmm, don't see this as a problem.

2) I only have 2 dongles. One is for iLok stuff (EWQL, etc.) and the other is for eLicensor stuff (Cubase, etc.) They stay in my USB port constantly. I don't move them. I don't yank on them. I don't even touch them. There is no reason for them to "break"

So I am still not seeing the problem.

1) You don't see it as a problem ? Good for you. I do. I don't want to have to buy a hub just for dongles. Much less transport one with my laptop. Plus some dongles are designed not to work on hubs.

2) Because you don't move, I do. My laptop also has my DAW. I don't effin want its 3 USB ports to be clogged by dongles. And I certainly don't want to have to transport them and worry about them. You lose your dongle ? You lose your software.

So with dongles, forget about going mobile. Which means you avoid using dongled software in your projects altogether.

Yeah, I can absolutely understand that if you're dragging your laptop around with you everywhere you go.

For that matter, dragging a laptop around with you everywhere opens up a whole other can of worms as far as things that could go wrong, not the least of which is you dropping the damn thing on the floor or getting into some kind of an accident. My home would literally have to burn down or blow up for my PC to get damaged. I never move it.

And I guess if I were a traveling musician I wouldn't want to have to worry about peripheral equipment either.

So then what the hell would you do if someday every piece of software required a dongle of some sort? You'd stop working? Doesn't seem like a viable alternative.

But, to each his own. Shame, because you're missing out on a lot of great stuff.

[fmr]

1) You don't see it as a problem ? Good for you. I do. I don't want to have to buy a hub just for dongles. Much less transport one with my laptop. Plus some dongles are designed not to work on hubs.

Which ones? I have several here, and ALL of them work in hubs
Good for you that you are not into Macs. The new Mac Books don't even have USB anymore, so, you will have to BUY an adapter (probably from Apple and at a premium price) to just have USB back.

[Soundplex]

ok now I can make it public:

Avenger will NOT require a hardware dongle!

Too bad. They're easy to handle in our offline studio. But what will it require instead? I hope there's not another License Manager or Service Center

Will the existing plugins also switch their copy protection?

[Rommelaar]

Why not release a cheaper premium version on Avenger with uses E-licenser, and a more expensive cut-down version without a dongle?

[VitaminD]

Ah the life of an Audio software developer... dealing with public expectations... like trying to herd cats.

[Devastator]

The real question is it going to use a keyfile (or something like that) or is it going to be online activation?
Online activation is a very bad route because it ties you to the dev keeping the activation server running if your want to install the program sometime in the future (which could very well be 5+ years).

If that is what a dev wants to use then they should at least use something like iLok that is not only somewhat less likely to turn off their servers, but also allows you to transfer a licence to a dongle so that you are not tied to their servers at all.

[Stuart T]

I don't like the $25 fee for transferring ilok licenses when it's automated anyway so costs them nothing.