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Squids · Post by **Squids** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:26 pm

Okay, to keep things fun and interesting around here, I will give you some insider news on a session I am doing tomorrow. It's a drum recording session with one of the classic drummers from the Pat Metheney Group, Danny Gottlieb. We're sampling some famous drums owned by great Jazz drummers as well as tons of hats, rides and other assorted percussion. This is going to be coooool.

So, if you have any requests, particularly for hi hats or rides in terms of articulations you miss seeing or particular types of sticks, brushes etc. feel free to request it here! I am going to capture more articulation nuances than usual as well as some good loops too. It's going to be a brutal morning to morning session so I won't be around tomorrow. In case you're bored on a Saturday and want to talk drums at the last minute... go for it.

Kind of cool if you are a Metheney fan like me.

I am excited.

pheeleep · Post by **pheeleep** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:56 pm

I love jazz kits. I use them in my hip hop beats a lot...

I would like Brushes, brushes, and more brushes... many brush patterns.. I'd like to see a brush kit.. no kicks, no hi hats, just brush sounds ( moving the brush on the snare ), featuring many different patterns of brush brushes...

short brush movements, long ones, slow ones, fast ones, linear movements, circular movements.. etc..

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 4:04 pm

Studiodad · Post by **Studiodad** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 5:43 pm

More hat articulations between closed and open (maybe 1/4 and 3/4 open like BFD XFL?) for smoother sounding pedal openings and closings, but maybe 3 or 4 velocities instead of 40 to keep the cost down.

Sounds like fun! Good luck!

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 6:44 pm

pheeleep wrote:I would like Brushes, brushes, and more brushes... many brush patterns.. I'd like to see a brush kit.. no kicks, no hi hats, just brush sounds ( moving the brush on the snare ), featuring many different patterns of brush brushes... :) short brush movements, long ones, slow ones, fast ones, linear movements, circular movements.. etc..

*nodnodnod*

Many brushes, please.

[edit] To expand: the kind of thing that would go well with a slow piano, an upright bass, a nearly empty bar, and a singer whose voice is smoky as old whiskey.

That kind brushes. :-)

Meffy

Bassballjg · Post by **Bassballjg** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:24 pm

Squids,

Sounds cool.I'm in the middle of recording a drum library too,my first.There are so many questions I wish I could ask you about miking,recording formats,how to keep the articulations consistant,how to organize the raw recordings efficiently,and more.

My project,Dangerous Drums is going well so far.But I am a total SR slut,starting my own soundware comapany or not,and I can't wait to see what you're coming up with.

I'd like to see mallets in addition to brushes, and flams,ghost notes and full beat performances.I have the impression from the demo mp3s of the rex stuff in the ReFills that those are programmed beats.On a jazz collection,especially one featuring such cool drummers,you have a great opportunity to do some live played loops.Those would sell.

I also hope that whatever it is you're doing is going to be a capsule,so that the customer can get multi-format use.

John Gibson
BassballJG
Dangerous Bear Underground

HugoJacquet · Post by **HugoJacquet** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:35 pm

Squids wrote:Okay, to keep things fun and interesting around here, I will give you some insider news on a session I am doing tomorrow. It's a drum recording session with one of the classic drummers from the Pat Metheney Group, Danny Gottlieb. We're sampling some famous drums owned by great Jazz drummers as well as tons of hats, rides and other assorted percussion. This is going to be coooool.

So, if you have any requests, particularly for hi hats or rides in terms of articulations you miss seeing or particular types of sticks, brushes etc. feel free to request it here! I am going to capture more articulation nuances than usual as well as some good loops too. It's going to be a brutal morning to morning session so I won't be around tomorrow. In case you're bored on a Saturday and want to talk drums at the last minute... go for it.

Kind of cool if you are a Metheney fan like me. I am excited.

Hi Squids,

Hugo here from the group buy

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As you maybe remember I'm a Metheny fan too (saw him propabely about 10 times in Belgium).

Sampling the Metheny drummer is certainly very good news. My quest for sounds (and thus me landing in the group buy), is my endless search for good rides, and in general jazz drums sounds.

Most samplesets emphesize on the big rock sound. I am looking for resonating toms and boooooooming bassdrums (to "drop the bomb" as they say in bebop drumming "boooiiinggg").

A special request; sizzle cymbals

and long dark and bright (not agressive) ridesssssssss

Check out my insane Metheny influence:

http://stage.vitaminic.nl/hugo_jacquet

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:17 am

I read that. I've been meaning to check out your stuff Hugo. I will. Yeah, I am a big fan too.

Danny arrived in town today. Nicest guy ever. We've only talked on the phone but in person he is the most easy going musician I have ever met with absolutely no ego yet he is amazing. He came down from Orlando and they got hit hard from the hurricane (we didn't down here much at all). When he left they had no power there. But, we've been planning this session for months and he's always touring so... he's here!

I am going to document this session well with photos and video. This is a pretty amazing set up. I have never seen more cymbals in my life. HUNDREDS of them and every type you can possibly imagine... .sizzle rides, mini chinas, massive rides, hats of every size shape and color, tons of brushes, blasticks, different sticks, rare cymbals and drums owned by famous jazz drummers that played with Brubeck and Miles Davis... fascinating stuff! This is going to be a BRUTAL session!

Of course, this will be hours and hours and hours of recordings so it will end up in all kinds of places... the usual suspects though- ST2, refill and UFO for Kontakt, EXS, HAl, Battery etc. But this time we are finally going to do Giga... Giga THREE. In fact, we're already planning on doing the I-Drums stuff in Giga and this will probably be an add on to that library collection as well... sort of like the "Vienna of Drums"... or more drums than you can shake a stick at.

Anyway, we're documenting a story for each drum from this session and we're practically making a book on drums (in fact, we may even DO a full book on drums). We even had drums flown in direct from manufacturers for this. The funny thing is that this is on TOP of already nearing completion on a 40 gig I-Drums library! I'll admit I am a little insane when it comes to drums. But, luckily I am motived by wanting it to have myself. That's always the key to having products that are over the top... some dedication and labor of love involved. Others can benefit off of this obsession!

sleepless · Post by **sleepless** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 9:54 am

So, if you have any requests

Hi Squids

Please don't forget snare drums without the snares (wires ?) and symphatetic resonance between the elements (toms with snare resonance, aso)
thanks

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:45 am

I always capture that. Good one though.

Okay! I am off to the session. Thanks for the requests. I got a bunch by email. Luckily, this was all stuff we're planning and more anyway.

This is going to be a monster session! All recorded at both 96K and 44.1 at the same time, ProTools HD system, Avalons and other cool mic pres, Neumans, AKGs, a nice room in a local studio and a hallway filled with drums and cymbals galore. I am concentrating on hats and rides the most though because I already sampled over 100 snares in the last 12 months. But we'll get some more and some loops of jazz beats as well. Brushes and beyond! (sound like Buzz Lightyear)

I am psyched. I think there are over 100 different hi hats. 20 rivet rides (Not 1, 20!!!!) and... okay, I'll take pictures. This is obsene. But, I can't wait until they are mapped up in the new extended I-Map. This is a bad quality audio/video clip taken from my camera of what the extended I-Map is like. I will put up a better quality audio one in the next couple of weeks:

www.sonicreality.com/squidscorner/ExpandedIMap1.AVI

www.sonicreality.com/squidscorner/ExpandedIMap2.AVI

www.sonicreality.com/squidscorner/ExpandedIMap3.AVI

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:36 am

Now I am REALLY tired. I was going to pop on here and just post that this was one of the most fascinating sample sessions I've ever done. We're doing another day because 12+ hours apparently wasn't enough. There is still a massive floor and hallway filled with drums and cymbals. We did over 50 hi hats today and a ton of jazz rhythms with the kit that were just pure entertainment in the studio for me. Plus I learned a lot of drum info. Some of these drums belonged to jazz legends like Mel Louis, Don Lemon (forgive the spelling) and other great players... don't worry we are documenting it well and I am even capturing some of this on video which I may share with you all... if you are interested.

DG is incredible though. WOW! Hugo, dude, you are going to be happy with this one. I'll send you a few examples when I have them. I got him to do the Phase Dance flam fill. If you know the one I'll send it to you just for fun. Any other PMG fans can have it too. (you have to be able to at least say what PMG stands for to get it

and finish this sentence: As Falls Witchita, ___ ____ ____ ___

More tomorrow!

bye

Reverend Rhythm · Post by **Reverend Rhythm** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:05 pm

I always loved that mesmerizing brushed snare pattern from “Last Train Home.”

Yasoo · Post by **Yasoo** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:36 am

Hope to get a request in for tomorrow.

Here's something I haven't seen enough in hat samples: side of the stick hits across the top cymbol where the side hits first and sorta rolls along the stick towards the tip followed by a pedal closing. Different angles of the hit. And tight wristed and loose wristed of this type of hit.

Also, any Istanbul cymbols you can sample.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:07 pm

Squids! This is great news. I love Danny Gottlieb's sound especially his touch with cymbals.

BTW here do I request the PMG related stuff?

Gordon

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:56 pm

Courtesy of that little camera I have that shoots 30 second video footage with horrible audio quality... and in case you wanted to see a dark lit tiny taste of this monsterous 2 day, 12 hour a day session we just did (which was one of the most difficult yet rewarding sample sessions I ever did) here are a few advance peaks of stuff we were working on:

www.sonicreality.com/sonicstuff/DGhatsing.AVI

www.sonicreality.com/sonicstuff/DGRollingit.AVI

As far as cymbals go, I mean...

www.sonicreality.com/squidscorner/Cymbalz1.JPG

www.sonicreality.com/squidscorner/Cymbalhall.jpg

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