K Brown Synth Bundle

[jbuonacc]

[sorry, meant to get back to this days ago...]

Error-prone? Can you be more specific?

Are you sure you're using the versions in the folder from the link at the end of each of my posts, and not the original Synthmaker Bundle link?

With high resonance and or feedback, yes SM filters don't cope well.

i guess "error prone" isn't the best way to say it. for the most part, they function just as well as any other simple SM synth. "lacking in quality control/testing in some ways" is more accurate. lots of little things that make their operation less than a satisfying experience. crackles when adjusting parameters, etc and more serious bugs/issues like the feedback thing i mentioned. also, a general feeling of them not being "calibrated", like i said before. i'm continually adjusting levels here and there so that it's not overloading internally at some point in the signal. you never need to worry about this with most any decent synth out there, it just really takes the fun out of using them.

nothing against SM/SE, a few of my favorite synths and fx are SynthEdit creations. in those cases though, it's obvious that the devs took the time to make sure every aspect of them was up to par.

i did sort of enjoy your recent 'Cyrinx' though, in general. constantly making adjustments as i went, but it's a pretty cool synth overall. most of the others i've tried were a complete waste of time.

well, the truth of the matter is these synths can sound just as good as commercial synths when sweetened with FX like they are. They dont have the snappy filters of the best commercial synths but they do well for pads and leads.

ehh, maybe in the most basic sense. it's not even about not having "snappy filters", it's just a general feeling of "wow, this thing is junk". best commercial softsynths? these don't perform anywhere near as well as the decent free synths (which you so proudly use). the synths mentioned in your sig are all of high quality, these don't feel anything like those for the most part. you know all those Russian-made products that are inspired by "the real thing", but are just cheaply made junk? that's what these synths feel like.

compare that "Putney" synth to 'Xils3/4'. it not even funny. compare any of his "Rolend" synths to the official Roland emulations (or even 'PG-8X'). wtf, seriously? why bother?

[layzer]

it's not even about not having "snappy filters", it's just a general feeling of "wow, this thing is junk". best commercial softsynths? these don't perform anywhere near as well as the decent free synths (which you so proudly use)

yeah, I do use them proudly, because unlike you, i actually have sound design skills to make even "wow, this thing is junk" Vsti's sound good. so you keep spending money on your audio arsenal which you use
on all your tours that are making you more money to buy more plugins and i'll use my free synths and spend my money elsewhere.

oh and look, yet another commercial vsti fan boi that has no music to show for in the music tracker.
what is it with you people spending all your money on the holy grail, cream of the crop vsti's but not doing anything with them?

[wagtunes]

it's not even about not having "snappy filters", it's just a general feeling of "wow, this thing is junk". best commercial softsynths? these don't perform anywhere near as well as the decent free synths (which you so proudly use)

yeah, I do use them proudly, because unlike you, i actually have sound design skills to make even "wow, this thing is junk" Vsti's sound good. so you keep spending money on your audio arsenal which you use
on all your tours that are making you more money to buy more plugins and i'll use my free synths and spend my money elsewhere.

oh and look, yet another commercial vsti fan boi that has no music to show for in the music tracker.
what is it with you people spending all your money on the holy grail, cream of the crop vsti's but not doing anything with them?

There are exceptions.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim

Oh, and I do use free synths too.

Podolski
Revitar
Rez 3
Scrooo (One of the most unusual sound design tools ever)
Six
Sonigen Modular (One of the best modulars period)
Synth1
TAL Bassline
TAL Elek7ro II
TAL Noisemaker
TAL U No 62
TCM II
TDM 3
Tyrell N6
X-WoF

I'd use more but many don't work on my system. HG stuff in particular that I so miss.

Like I said, there are exceptions.

[VariKusBrainZ]

^
Not everyone needs other people to hear their music to bolster their ego or for constructive critiscism

[wagtunes]

^
Not everyone needs other people to hear their music to bolster their ego or for constructive critiscism

Then what exactly are we making music for if not so that other people can hear it?

[layzer]

There are exceptions.

yeah, i know Steve. Theres also Hans Zimmer, but he doesn't come on here
calling peoples work "junk"

[jbuonacc]

yeah, I do use them proudly, because unlike you, i actually have sound design skills to make even "wow, this thing is junk" Vsti's sound good.

lol... "sound design skills". i don't think i have much trouble with "sound design", but i'm not going to frustrate myself with some half-assed synth that barely works right just to prove a point. that feedback issue is a perfect example, it shouldn't even be on there if you need to baby it without it freaking out into a nasty digital mess and completely locking up the synth. wtf is that?

it's about more than "skills" though, you should know that. have you used 'Xils3/4' for example? do you think KB's "VCS3" sounds/acts anything like it? i don't. (not to say that the Xils emulation is spot-on, but it's a quality synth and in a different class altogether from all these SM creations.)

so you keep spending money on your audio arsenal ... and i'll use my free synths and spend my money elsewhere. ... another commercial vsti fan boi that has no music to show for in the music tracker. what is it with you people spending all your money on the holy grail, cream of the crop vsti's but not doing anything with them?

?? i just like to play around with a variety of synths, and most of the good stuff costs money. nothing wrong with the synths you have listed (besides being a bit boring), sorry if it seems like i'm ragging on you for using them and not more commercial synths. just found your SC page, you do very well with them. sometimes i wish i didn't spend so much on all this stuff, i could certainly get by without most of it. i'm not worried that i'm "not doing anything with them" though, i don't have anything to prove to anyone. if i can focus enough to put a track together, great. if not, that's ok. i'm happy either way.

sometimes it seems like you don't even know the difference though, do you even at least demo other (commercial) synths? i'd seriously question anyone who was "ok" with these synths here and doesn't recognize how bad they are compared to most everything else. it's like 2006 all over again, except they're not even as good as some free stuff from even back then.

Then what exactly are we making music for if not so that other people can hear it?

like i said, i just like to play around and test stuff out. i have just as much fun doing that as i do "making music". i'm pretty sure i do ok with that when i put my mind to it (for someone with no real musical background at least), but i'm in no hurry to do so. also, i got into making music for myself, not so that other people can hear it.

to be more specific, when i started doing this almost 20 years ago i was real heavy into early Skinny Puppy ('Back & Forth', 'Bites', 'Remission', etc). they themselves hadn't made music like that for 10+ years by that point, and i just wanted to learn how to make similar music so that i could have more stuff like that to listen to. over the years my influences have changed a bit, but it's still the same sort of motivation.

[ZeePok]

it's not even about not having "snappy filters", it's just a general feeling of "wow, this thing is junk". best commercial softsynths? these don't perform anywhere near as well as the decent free synths (which you so proudly use)

yeah, I do use them proudly, because unlike you, i actually have sound design skills to make even "wow, this thing is junk" Vsti's sound good. so you keep spending money on your audio arsenal which you use
on all your tours that are making you more money to buy more plugins and i'll use my free synths and spend my money elsewhere.

oh and look, yet another commercial vsti fan boi that has no music to show for in the music tracker.
what is it with you people spending all your money on the holy grail, cream of the crop vsti's but not doing anything with them?

 

[wagtunes]

There are exceptions.

yeah, i know Steve. Theres also Hans Zimmer, but he doesn't come on here
calling peoples work "junk"

I don't think Hans Zimmer comes here at all. LOL.

[jbuonacc]

... calling peoples work "junk"

it is what it is. here's his "Rolend SH-12" (under normal operating conditions) compared to the official Roland 'SH-2' VST:

https://soundcloud.com/jbuonacc/rolend-sh-12-vst

https://soundcloud.com/jbuonacc/roland-sh-2-vst

absolutely ridiculous. outside of some very narrow parameter ranges, these synths are useless. i'm not too bothered by the fact that they don't actually sound like the originals, a lot of the configurations are interesting enough either way. ... but if they crap out like this so easily i'd say they still need some serious work before making them public. i guess that's the point though, right? he's doing a lot of the initial work and putting them out there for other people to modify/finish. that's cool at least.

[wagtunes]

... calling peoples work "junk"

it is what it is. here's his "Rolend SH-12" (under normal operating conditions) compared to the official Roland 'SH-2' VST:

https://soundcloud.com/jbuonacc/rolend-sh-12-vst

https://soundcloud.com/jbuonacc/roland-sh-2-vst

absolutely ridiculous. outside of some very narrow parameter ranges, these synths are useless. i'm not too bothered by the fact that they don't actually sound like the originals, a lot of the configurations are interesting enough either way. ... but if they crap out like this so easily i'd say they still need some serious work before making them public. i guess that's the point though, right? he's doing a lot of the initial work and putting them out there for other people to modify/finish. that's cool at least.

I have to admit, that sounds really bad. In fact, I had to turn it off because it was hurting my ears.

[sergiofrias]

it is what it is. here's his "Rolend SH-12" (under normal operating conditions) compared to the official Roland 'SH-2' VST:

https://soundcloud.com/jbuonacc/rolend-sh-12-vst

https://soundcloud.com/jbuonacc/roland-sh-2-vst

my cat just went mad and started crawling the walls...

[ZeePok]

 
@jbuanoc

You sure spend a lot of time with the 'junk'

It seems to me you're only in it to bash this effort to the ground.

Not Cool!

There are some of us that do appreciate and applaud this gargantuan effort!

Peace!

[Kumi_27]

No, it's not "junk".
You just have wrong mindset and wrong expectations.

They emulate the architecture, using "generic" blocks like emulated VCO/DCO, VCA, VCF and so on.
You can probably put together something similar using Reaktor etc.
I could even take a heap of electronic components and solder something like a VCS3 "clone" in hardware.
The same architecture, but different insides.
Will it sound the same? It will not, because the inside "parameters", filter architecture, voltage and frequency ranges etc. will be different.
But it still will be a synth with the ability to produce sounds - and the architecture determines what kind of sounds it will produce.

It's almost like saying any monosynth is junk because it isn't Moog model whatever and doesn't sound like one

[jbuonacc]

... You sure spend a lot of time with the 'junk'

It seems to me you're only in it to bash this effort to the ground.

you're right, i've been spending way too much time testing these things and none has been worthwhile. he probably should have done a bit of this himself. i thought it was cool when i saw that he was like "these aren't finished, do what you want with them", but when he started spamming every site and digging up threads promoting them like they're good to go i started thinking "wtf?"

i will say though that 'mOdyCat' performs far better overall than any of the others that i've tried so far. it actually took me a little while to "break" that one, and it sounded very good most of the time.

No, it's not "junk".
You just have wrong mindset and wrong expectations.

They emulate the architecture, using "generic" blocks like emulated VCO/DCO, VCA, VCF and so on. ...
Will it sound the same? It will not ...

uh, yeah... they really are mostly "junk". it's not about the fact that they sound different, every one of these synths that i've tried is "broken" in one way or another. have you tried them? how's that working out for you?