Cubase 9 coming in December according to Guitar Center

[SJ_Digriz]

And yes I think Pro 9 will be outstanding, as are all of their releases. I just wish they would listen more carefully to the community and not just those doing the testing.

Why would you think they listen to testers anymore than they listen to the community at large?

[koolkeys]

Not only that, but somehow in the bolded section you completely contradict yourself. How can they make a promise if they've never told you what they intended on doing? How can someone not tell you what they intend on doing, but simultaneously promise that they're going to do that very thing?

As I stated in my previous post, the word "promise" was misused. However, when a dev IMPLIES that they are working on features and bug fixes, you expect, well, FEATURES AND BUG FIXES. We have received neither since their statement that they were soliciting information from us as a way to provide that PRIOR to the next update.

Therefore, there are NO contradictions in my statements, just demands for semantics which I am WAAAAAY to creative to concern myself with my wording since I am not a dev. However, if I were a dev I would be careful.

Keep in mind Cubase is so usable in its current form that it IS my daily driver. I am merely commenting on what literally THOUSANDS have commented on before me: here we go again, paying for bug fixes that have been reported to death, and still might not be fixed this coming version.

And yes I think Pro 9 will be outstanding, as are all of their releases. I just wish they would listen more carefully to the community and not just those doing the testing.

And instead of carrying this further with offshoot comments on my previous statement which I clarified- what did YOU take their open letter to mean? After all it did NOT state- "please give us feedback so that Pro 9 will include features and bug fixes". And after all that is why I made the statements I did.

So...what did you take it to mean?

I really think you are mis-reading everything they said. In fact, you are the one playing semantics with their words. They never promised ANYTHING. Even if we were to take the forum post in the same way you do, at the very MOST they said their engineers would discuss the feasibility of what could be delivered. They never promised, or implied, or even hinted that any particular features or bug fixes would be added as part of the 8.5 cycle.

I don't know of anyone else who thinks that the survey they did was to determine what to add to the current version. It is very clearly a general survey designed to see where the community stood on their requests.

Seriously, I think you are reading into it too much and trying to act like you were lied to. You weren't. You just created expectations based on your interpretation of what you would like to happen. They never promised anything in that survey or the followup posts.

Brent

[JonSolo]

Again I TAKE BACK the use of the word PROMISE. For the third damn time...

I am not ACTING like anything...more of producer, less of an actor. I don't feel I was lied to. Read my statements...there is no passion or emotion to it. (insert blank look) It is merely a statement that says that I felt like we were told that they were going to work on the things (at the very least the top five things they mentioned) for interim.

And then all I said was...THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. And it didn't. That is the truth of the matter. No matter how much we discuss what was or was not said, what I meant or said, or who will or will not get elected, whether or not Scarlett Johansson's breast are real or not, there is a list of bugs that have not been touched for several incarnations. I am MOST grateful that they do not impact me on a daily basis.

Otherwise I have no expectations. Go back and read my first post. I am happy user. But after reading my first post go over to Steinberg's forum and see many posts from the first quarter of this year where people specifically discussed THEIR expectations surrounding that survey. Oh yea, some of those also got deleted.

Again for the record: I MISUSED the word promise. I love Cubase.

PS thanks for your opinion of " It is very clearly a general survey designed to see where the community stood on their requests." I agree wholeheartedly that your opinion is the EXACT underlying purpose, though I do not feel they made that aspect of it clear. The one thing I will add...it was a smokescreen to blur two HUGE threads of complaints on their forum about Pro 8.5. Two threads which I did not participate in. I have no solid complaints about Cubase. I just want to see some rock solid fixes for several of the issues which have been sitting on the table for a few years.

And as mentioned in a previous post by someone else...please do not remove things we have come to know and love that might jack up our work flow.

[koolkeys]

Snipped for space...

All fair enough. We both like Cubase and want to see it get better, and I definitely don't want to argue the other points over and over. So no harm intended. I bought Cubase VST (version 3 or 5, don't remember, but I do remember not knowing what to do with the serial port dongle, lol), and came back to Cubase multiple times over the years. And I just recently bought 8.5 again. So I'm excited to see what they do. Outside of one crash when rendering a track in place, I haven't had any stability issues. So hopefully they fix whatever bugs need fixing, and don't introduce new ones that make my time with Cubase miserable

Cheers!

Brent

[igoramos]

I have Artist 8 and it crashes every time I try to save. Crashes before it saves I need to upgrade to Pro so I was going to take this grace period opportunity to upgrade to Pro 8.5 but the demo also crashes really often and a couple times when I was saving. So for those of you who are using Pro 8.5 in Sierra, are you not having crashes. I'm talking about 6 crashes in 3 hours of work today.

Somebody recommended a fresh install. If I need to completely remove Cubase from my system and re-install, is there an easy way to save my custom files like templates and device setup up files, remove everything and re-install and restore my own customizations?

In any case, I really hope the 9 update is going to be release early December. At least there's hope it wont' crash all the time... Maybe 8.5 isn't fully compatible with Sierra yet...

[chk071]

It's really disconcerting how people comment on software on the net these days. As if devs would be able to listen to every single user, solve their issues by fixing the software, and reading any wish from his lips. As if the whole world would turned around this one single user. Really weird, and shows a lot of incomprehension about software development in general. I wonder if anyone commenting like that has any idea how difficult it is to code a working DAW, let alone a whole operating system, because most i read on the net about Windows is in the way i stated too. Really weird, because everyone knows how much work, effort and time composing and creating music takes, but noone seems to know, or to care, what a tedious work coding a DAW is. And at the same time to make money.

This is not directly aimed at anyone posting in this thread BTW, just a general statement about comments i often read in such threads. If anyone feels offended, my apologies. But i feel like i have to post this anymore, because this is all a bit borderline IMO.

[igoramos]

It's really disconcerting how people comment on software on the net these days. As if devs would be able to listen to every single user, solve their issues by fixing the software, and reading any wish from his lips. As if the whole world would turned around this one single user. Really weird, and shows a lot of incomprehension about software development in general. I wonder if anyone commenting like that has any idea how difficult it is to code a working DAW, let alone a whole operating system, because most i read on the net about Windows is in the way i stated too. Really weird, because everyone knows how much work, effort and time composing and creating music takes, but noone seems to know, or to care, what a tedious work coding a DAW is. And at the same time to make money.

This is not directly aimed at anyone posting in this thread BTW, just a general statement about comments i often read in such threads. If anyone feels offended, my apologies. But i feel like i have to post this anymore, because this is all a bit borderline IMO.

I do agree...

[Robert Randolph]

It's really disconcerting how people comment on software on the net these days. As if devs would be able to listen to every single user, solve their issues by fixing the software, and reading any wish from his lips. As if the whole world would turned around this one single user. Really weird, and shows a lot of incomprehension about software development in general. I wonder if anyone commenting like that has any idea how difficult it is to code a working DAW, let alone a whole operating system, because most i read on the net about Windows is in the way i stated too. Really weird, because everyone knows how much work, effort and time composing and creating music takes, but noone seems to know, or to care, what a tedious work coding a DAW is. And at the same time to make money.

This is not directly aimed at anyone posting in this thread BTW, just a general statement about comments i often read in such threads. If anyone feels offended, my apologies. But i feel like i have to post this anymore, because this is all a bit borderline IMO.

I'm quite certain you're not directing this at me, but...

I appreciate the work it takes to painstakingly age a steak, grow herbs in your own space, source the best oils, spend decades learning to prepare and plate these things.

But if 1/10 times it comes to the table burned, I'm going to complain. I don't care if everyone else in the house has a perfect meal, I'm going to complain. I don't care if the place has been amazing for 10 years, I'm going to complain.

I think you may know that I don't complain about software much (and in fact spend a lot of time trying to help people with workarounds, making tutorials and documenting bugs), but if someone is having a difficult time using a piece of software then it doesn't matter how hard it is to code a DAW.

Those guys writing the software put the product out there with a price tag. They advertise that buy acquiring the software you will have access to various features and capabilities. By doing that they enter in to an implicit (as it's certainly stated otherwise in the EULA usually!) agreement with the user to provide that paying user with a functioning product. When it doesn't function people have every right to complain.

[chk071]

Robert, you're making some valid points there. Yet, i think that developing a software, especially with a complexity the likes of a DAW, is a considerably more difficult and tedious task than making a meal for someone. Of course, if you paid for it, and it doesn't work as expected, you won't be satisfied, that's also the curse and pressure of payware software, and also the reason why, i think everyone has to admit that, most DAW's are at such a high level of stability. Frankly, it's actually amazing, and fascinating for me, how bug free most DAW's are, and, if then, there's really minor issues we're talking about. Actually, Cubase 8.5 Artist also crashed too many times on me, i haven't yet used a version of Cubase, Elements included which crashed so many times, mostly on exiting though, so, i guess i can understand why it's a bit off-putting for some people.

What i don't get though in this case is the whole "listen to the community" thing once again. Nothing against Mr. Solo, i know he's one of the most friendly guys here, and i really like to read his post, but, in this case, i think the point he made is wrong. Not sure if it is even being realized, but that's sort of a genereal complaint people seem to bring these days, no matter if it's a plugin which is sold a few thousand times, or if it is a game which is being sold a 100 million times. It's always "Booh... they don't listen to us...". Well, frankly, how should they? Companies usually have their internal, and often external beta testers. Then there are bug reports, or people sending email to support. And if enough beta testers, internal and external report the issue, it will surely get fixed. But, as mentioned, such software is really complex, so they won't be able to fix every single issue people have with their software. It really depends whether these things are severe, and widespread, otherwise it really will be difficult to eradicate every single issue there is.

[JonSolo]

chk071,

I understand your thinking.

What you said can possibly be said about many industries. Even potato chips. Look how many flavors and trial flavors Lays comes out with...and they can't please everybody. Yet potato chips is someone's creative passion. When I bite down into a delicious (in my opinion) BBQ chip, you are right...I never think of or necessarily care about the time, effort, and energy that went into creating the perfect chip recipe, the flavor profiling, or the protective packaging to keep it all tidy and fresh. I do know that when I opened a can of Pringles one time and they were all broken into crumbs, I could have written the company and gotten a coupon for a free can of chips, or even gone back to the store and exchanged it. Or do what I actually did and consumed them by pouring them down my throat YEAH!

Point is, some of us chose our career. When we did we had some knowledge of the burden that comes with our profession, whatever it may be. Most devs chose that path with at least partial knowledge of what was expected of them. Every job comes with some tedious work and effort that will largely go unappreciated. Now before you think I am excusing anything...I would SHOW my appreciation LARGELY if certain things happened in Cubase. Heck I might pay a LOT more for the product even!

In the meantime, I will open the can and pour Cubase down my throat...not entirely as THEY intended it but it works, and I don't have to beg for a coupon or a new Cubase.

None of my comments previously were meant to disparage any dev or Steinberg or Cubase. As a business owner I appreciate the challenges of filling the request of every individual client. It pays to help them set an expectation that benefits them and is reasonable for me to fulfill. I do believe that Steinberg desires this as much as anybody who is responsible for their business. This does not eliminate the need for feedback, whether positive or negative, which without it none of us would ever achieve our pinnacle.

I hope our feedback here and on their forums help them to reach their pinnacle. If we were silent what would be the shape of the product?

Edit- about this "listen to the community"...what I initially said was BUG FIXES. Some that have been around for awhile. How do you know which bugs? Community. I didn't mean anything more than that. And thanks for the comment about me being nice. Even when I am wrong or wronged I try. Heh.

[chk071]

I do get what you're saying. Frankly though, i believe that the quality of their product is mostly determined by the state of their business, not by what people are posting on forums, or the feedback they get. Of course, feedback also plays part, but, even with a company rep here, they will hardly be able to read every Cubase thread here, or act accordingly. At least i would assume that the feedback they get from their testers will have a bigger influence on development. I think i read enough "Boohoo, we all want feature XY, but they just don't listen to us... " threads in the Steinberg forums (or anywhere else really...) to be able to safely claim that. Not that i think that it would be wrong to want to have those features, but, neither forums nor their (not as many as one would expect anyway) inhabitants are the hub of the world.

What i really find quite awful is the situation with their UR devices though: https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewto ... e6b4d75378 But that's more of a Yamaha than really a Steinberg thing though, i guess.

[EnGee]

Thank you Googly Smythe and Septimon for your explanations.

I'll try to buy the upgrade this November, but I remember 40% discount of the upgrade was few months ago, right? Anyway, I hope I can manage it this month

[tripleflows]

Can not say more, but as Yoda says: "a useful update will it be..." with some long time requests finally implemented

[JonSolo]

That is good to hear. Like every other year, they will get my money.

[chk071]

How much is the update for users of the Pro version 8.5? 49 €, as if you updated from 8 to 8.5?