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EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:14 pm

chk071 wrote:You just don't understand my point. Nevermind.

We have better communication in games discussions than in synths it seems

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:26 pm

EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:You just don't understand my point. Nevermind.
We have better communication in games discussions than in synths it seems

I understood him. He was just asking for a simple clarification, nothing more, nothing less.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:29 pm

EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:You just don't understand my point. Nevermind.
We have better communication in games discussions than in synths it seems

The thing is, i don't talk about "good" or "bad", yet you seem to be pretty fixed on that i do so. I'm just talking that one is not able to judge the quality of emulation, if one doesn't happen to have the synth.

No good or bad, just being able to judge. If you like the synths, cool. I like a lot of synths too, also emulations. Am i able to tell if the detail of emulation is spot on then? I don't think so. If you meant that these emulation synths are the best you ever heard, cool, great. But you can't tell if they are "the best emulations you ever heard".

Anyway, i'll rest my case. But, believe me when i say that it is NOT good or bad i'm talking about here, not at all. How would i even be able to tell, i don't have a Pro-1 or Minimoog.

I just can judge about what sounds better to me or not. Maybe i don't like the Pro-1, then the Minimoog emu of course sounds better to me, if i happen to like the Minimoog. What i can judge is the sound quality itself, but not the degree of accuracy in emulation. I'm pretty sure the devs did what they could to make it sound as close as they could anyway.

On a personal note, it is interesting that we now have about 4 Minimoog emus on a high level of quality, which all sound different to each other.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:32 pm

cryophonik wrote:
EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:You just don't understand my point. Nevermind.
We have better communication in games discussions than in synths it seems
I understood him. He was just asking for a simple clarification, nothing more, nothing less.

No he didn't!

He was trying to prove that I can't judge if they are the best emulations that I have ever heard without having the hardware and made a detailed comparison!! So, it is not "nothing more, nothing less"!!

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:36 pm

No, man... i just say that your choice of words wasn't the right one. But, nevermind, this discussion is as pointless as... Trump getting his lawyers on a election fraud case.

Anyway, sorry you got that down the wrong pipe. Nevermind....

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:41 pm

My choice of words is fine! Your analysis is not.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:42 pm

chk071 wrote:i just say that your choice of words wasn't the right one.

You remind me of the judge in The Good Wife who expects the lawyers to always add "... in my opinion" to their statements. It makes people sound goofy, and it's a goofy thing to expect - in my opinion.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:45 pm

Same as always ... OnePingOnly.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:50 pm

Urs wrote:
chk071 wrote:i just say that your choice of words wasn't the right one.
You remind me of the judge in The Good Wife who expects the lawyers to always add "... in my opinion" to their statements. It makes people sound goofy, and it's a goofy thing to expect - in my opinion.

I won't tell you what that kind of personal stuff makes you look like now.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:47 pm

chk071 wrote:
Urs wrote:
chk071 wrote:i just say that your choice of words wasn't the right one.
You remind me of the judge in The Good Wife who expects the lawyers to always add "... in my opinion" to their statements. It makes people sound goofy, and it's a goofy thing to expect - in my opinion.
I won't tell you what that kind of personal stuff makes you look like now.

Now you remind me of that former friend of my wife's who quite their friendship with the epic words "...you know exactly what you did to me!"

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:46 am

EnGee wrote:
cryophonik wrote:
EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:You just don't understand my point. Nevermind.
We have better communication in games discussions than in synths it seems
I understood him. He was just asking for a simple clarification, nothing more, nothing less.
No he didn't!

He was trying to prove that I can't judge if they are the best emulations that I have ever heard without having the hardware and made a detailed comparison!! So, it is not "nothing more, nothing less"!!

You may think they are amazing synths or fantastic products. But unless/until you can compare them to the original, then you don't know if they are good emulations.

It's entirely possible that they are amazing synths that are not completely accurate emulations. That's even dually possible if what they are emulating aren't amazing synths. In that case, a good emulation would be a bad synth!

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:19 am

Robert Randolph wrote:
EnGee wrote:
cryophonik wrote:
EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:You just don't understand my point. Nevermind.
We have better communication in games discussions than in synths it seems
I understood him. He was just asking for a simple clarification, nothing more, nothing less.
No he didn't!

He was trying to prove that I can't judge if they are the best emulations that I have ever heard without having the hardware and made a detailed comparison!! So, it is not "nothing more, nothing less"!!
You may think they are amazing synths or fantastic products. But unless/until you can compare them to the original, then you don't know if they are good emulations.

It's entirely possible that they are amazing synths that are not completely accurate emulations. That's even dually possible if what they are emulating aren't amazing synths. In that case, a good emulation would be a bad synth!

Another genius in logic and semantics

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:13 am

EnGee wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
EnGee wrote:
cryophonik wrote:
EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:You just don't understand my point. Nevermind.
We have better communication in games discussions than in synths it seems
I understood him. He was just asking for a simple clarification, nothing more, nothing less.
No he didn't!

He was trying to prove that I can't judge if they are the best emulations that I have ever heard without having the hardware and made a detailed comparison!! So, it is not "nothing more, nothing less"!!
You may think they are amazing synths or fantastic products. But unless/until you can compare them to the original, then you don't know if they are good emulations.

It's entirely possible that they are amazing synths that are not completely accurate emulations. That's even dually possible if what they are emulating aren't amazing synths. In that case, a good emulation would be a bad synth!
Another genius in logic and semantics

Do you not understand that something can be both a good product and a poor emulation?

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:32 am

Robert Randolph wrote:
EnGee wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
You may think they are amazing synths or fantastic products. But unless/until you can compare them to the original, then you don't know if they are good emulations.

It's entirely possible that they are amazing synths that are not completely accurate emulations. That's even dually possible if what they are emulating aren't amazing synths. In that case, a good emulation would be a bad synth!
Another genius in logic and semantics
Do you not understand that something can be both a good product and a poor emulation?

And what the f**k this has to do with my sentence "RePro1 and The Legend are the best emulations that I have ever heard"?!!

Both are emulations right? They are synths but emulations right?

Let the German gods help you Urs, or maybe you need more, many more!

jbuonacc · Post by **jbuonacc** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:35 am

.jon wrote:I've guessed you for a paid U-he shill, but this is pretty thick even from such.

1) sound is nothing special, compared to similar Blocks patch it sounds weak, thin and flat without the FX

2) FX are basic, CPU intensive and have poor UX due to naive cartoon GUIs, easily replaced by better FX plugins

3) the sequencer has 0 usability, yes it takes huge amounts of space (seriously, a monosynth on two pages?) but the actual controls you interact with are tiny and fiddly- it does everything but encourage improvisation

4) GUI is unclear due to mimicking some hardware with no colour coding or any other modern enhancements

5) it's a replica, which by definition is the antithesis of innovation- it contains nothing worthy of the word innovation. First replicas were made over 15 years ago, nothing fresh there either. Sound quality is a disappointment and certainly does not live up to the hype.

It's achievement is sounding similar to a budget monosynth from early 80's, in every other department it fails miserably, making it easily the worst synth by U-he ever.

funniest thing i've seen all day, thanks for the laughs.

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