Repro-1 (out now)

[Gadget Fiend]

Actually, under 50% of American voters just elected Mr. Trump. Good thing you're just as good at fact checking as the person you argued with about UX-based design, even though you called him/her out on it. In case you're curious, you could check up on the electoral college used in the US and the popular vote, and the differences between the two.

I'm trying to think as little as possible about the outcome of this election. LOL.

But sure, if you want to split hairs and be an officious dweeb, let's just say a "large percentage" of Americans voted for an idiotic charlatan and sexual predator. There are many, many stupid people in this country, some of whom no doubt post on KVR.

[Gadget Fiend]

Yes, a mature adult accepts

A good start. Begin the process and apply that to yourself first.

I think you are missing the point. A mature person accepts that there are annoying people in life who are not going to change who they are despite our strong preference that they do so. So yes, I need to accept that passive aggressive trolls will make uninformed snide comments and that I shouldn't expect them to behave in a more civilized manner. This is why I almost never post on KVR any longer. In this case, I thought I could make a useful suggestion to Urs regarding the design of Repro-1's Modulation section. But that's clearly not possible on a forum such as this. Better to go directly to the source next time.

[Gadget Fiend]

Why don't we put this whole Repro-1 UI issue to the test:

If Urs wants to know what potential customers think (and not the opinions of a tiny group of KVR users who have posted over 10,000 times on the site thus leading to a classic case of sampling bias,) Urs can take my mockup and ask users which design they find more intuitive and flexible.

Incidentally, the survey should NOT ask which design is "more faithful to the original synth" because 1) we already know the answer to that question and 2) that answer is not particularly relevant when it comes to selling the instrument. Because really, how many users are going to say, "Yes, Design A is clearly more intuitive and flexible and extends the sound of the instrument in really useful ways but I'm sticking with the confusing, limited, hardware-centric Design B for reasons of nostalgia even though I've never even played a Pro One (and because I'm an idiot)."?

And then if Urs really wants to gather some useful marketing data, he can ask this group of potential customers which design would be more likely to lead them to purchase the instrument and enjoy programming sounds on it.

After making a couple of minor tweaks, I'm willing to put my design to the test (so long as the survey is not riddled with leading questions). How about it Urs?

[EvilDragon]

Urs already got some useful marketing data, Repro-1 sold first week a 100% better than Hive, their previous release (which does have the mod matrix you're so keen on).

I wouldn't say engineering-driven, I'd say nostalgia-driven.

A week in since the initial beta release, Repro-1 has topped Hive's first week by 100% (i.e. it sold twice as often), Bazille's by 150%. Those were our most successful product launches ever, prior to this one. In fact Repro-1 has sold twice as many copies as Bazille in all of 2016. It's quite remarkable by our standards.

You just don't know when to give up, obviously, because that first week info is obviously showing you in the wrong. Repro-1 is just fine as it is, and if you want something more, there are other plugins to choose from. It's that simple.

[Gadget Fiend]

Urs already got some useful marketing data, Repro-1 sold first week a 100% better than Hive, their previous release (which does have the mod matrix you're so keen on).

You can't really be that obtuse, right? That's not a rhetorical question, btw. Could it be that the market is flooded with "me too" supersaw synths and that many existing offerings sound better than Hive?

Could it be that we are riding a wave of analog nostalgia and more importantly, a recognition that these classic instruments sound better than your average EDM-focused synth? And so if an instrument comes even close to capturing the sound of one of these classic synths (in this case the Pro One,) I would imagine its sales to be higher than that of another boring supersaw "Trance Machine." God, when will these synths and the "music" made with them f**k off and die? Sorry, I mean "go away." LOL.

[Gadget Fiend]

You just don't know when to give up, obviously, because that first week info is obviously showing you in the wrong. Repro-1 is just fine as it is, and if you want something more, there are other plugins to choose from. It's that simple.

Let's put it to the test. That is unless your ego is too fragile to handle the results of the survey. Mine clearly isn't (because I'm the one who is actually suggesting that Urs conduct the survey).

Unlike people who talk out their asses, I believe in making data-driven decisions.

[EvilDragon]

There will be no test, obviously, since...

That seems like a better approach than a slavish adherence to outdated designs.

We're selling this under the "Diva" moniker. So we've been there, done that, and during the forum discussions back there were people argueing just like you, who had just the same set of arguments for the exact opposite: Why don't you do a simple, true to the original monosynth instead of proving once again that u-he can over-complicate things into oblivion for non-geeks.

So here we are. Repro-1 for them, Diva for you.

This is not about my ego, though. But it looks to be all about yours.

Unlike people who talk out their asses, I believe in making data-driven decisions.

So you think Urs didn't do this already? Hah.

[izonin]

...boring supersaw "Trance Machine." God, when will these synths and the "music" made with them f**k off and die? Sorry, I mean "go away." LOL.

And this comes from the owner of the ultimate Hypersaw Trance Machine.

[Gadget Fiend]

...boring supersaw "Trance Machine." God, when will these synths and the "music" made with them f**k off and die? Sorry, I mean "go away." LOL.

And this comes from the owner of the ultimate Hypersaw Trance Machine.

I assume you are referring to my Virus TI? Although the TI wasn't the first such synth, it definitely popularized that specific sound. And thus Access has a lot to answer for. LOL.

But right now my TI is just a kick ass controller, albeit an extremely expensive one. I love the fact that I can set my Kiwi controller and Juno Ctrl off to the right side of the Virus controls. It's perfect for my set up and needs.

[Urs]

I'm sorry, I don't see any appeal in turning Repro-1 into something else. I also don't have the time or headspace to argue this in any way, if we are to meet our goals and make our customers happy.

I'm sure most of our customers are very happy with Repro-1 as it is, and they certainly prefer me to slash CPU hunger rather than discuss changes in concept.

[david.beholder]

I'm sorry, I don't see any appeal in turning Repro-1 into something else.

But Urs why don't we have 7 LFOs and 4 Envelopes version like this?
I think it's quite reasonable request.

[masterhiggins]

Where the f is the wavetable editor?!?!

[nordickvr]

Gadget Fiend seems to know a lot about idiots, there's a lot of them pointed out in his posts.

[cowudders]

looks indeed nice but this is also indeed quite a departure from original pro one

But Urs something said in main topic at U-He subforum that sparked my interest:

Hehe, I answered that in the other thread, but why not?

As it happens, we do have a Prophet-5 now. If we would like to do a poly version, it would be a P-5 emulation. A few features less, less CPU per voice, slightly different sound but mostly the same sonic character. Lush stuff.

However, our schedule is busy. We have loads of construction areas. We do not know yet if and when we go there.

But tempting it is. And the intro offer won't come back for it

that means he would MAYBE include a poly version at a later date?

anyway, this repro synth is so freakingly real sounding and reacts so 'right', something i've never heard before this in synth-plug-in land.

[ftech]

I'm sorry, I don't see any appeal in turning Repro-1 into something else. I also don't have the time or headspace to argue this in any way, if we are to meet our goals and make our customers happy.

I'm sure most of our customers are very happy with Repro-1 as it is, and they certainly prefer me to slash CPU hunger rather than discuss changes in concept.

If you start changing things I'll be on the first plane over there to sit you right down and change it back!

I'd rather be in my studio actually making music with some wonderful instruments I enjoy using for what they are, rather than trying to make them something they are not intended to be.