Repro-1 (out now)

[Gadget Fiend]

I'm sorry, I don't see any appeal in turning Repro-1 into something else. I also don't have the time or headspace to argue this in any way, if we are to meet our goals and make our customers happy.

I'm sure most of our customers are very happy with Repro-1 as it is, and they certainly prefer me to slash CPU hunger rather than discuss changes in concept.

Ok, so no one here is actually curious to know whether users might prefer a slightly different layout of controls on the Repro-1 UI and a more consistent, intuitive modulation routing system (when the survey to acquire this information could be constructed in 5 minutes or less). This leads me to believe that people are afraid to have their preconceived ideas potentially disproved. Which means I need to add one final disparaging term to the list: "Spineless weenies." Ha ha.

It makes me think back to my earlier comment regarding the difference between an engineering-driven development process and user-centric design practices and how smart companies are all moving to the latter.

If history is any guide, this old school engineering-driven strategy will continue to tank companies that were once high flying technology darlings (e.g., HP, Dell, eBay, et al). We'll see how well u-he does following this approach over the long haul. I hope they have better luck.

[Hink]

Urs was quite clear in the direction he wants his product to go in, frankly I think it's time you stop with the generalized antagonistic comments toward others in this thread. Please keep your comments on topic

[Dasheesh]

I'm sorry, I don't see any appeal in turning Repro-1 into something else. I also don't have the time or headspace to argue this in any way, if we are to meet our goals and make our customers happy.

I'm sure most of our customers are very happy with Repro-1 as it is, and they certainly prefer me to slash CPU hunger rather than discuss changes in concept.

Ok, so no one here is actually curious to know whether users might prefer a slightly different layout of controls on the Repro-1 UI and a more consistent, intuitive modulation routing system (when the survey to acquire this information could be constructed in 5 minutes or less). This leads me to believe that people are afraid to have their preconceived ideas potentially disproved. Which means I need to add one final disparaging term to the list: "Spineless weenies." Ha ha.

It makes me think back to my earlier comment regarding the difference between an engineering-driven development process and user-centric design practices and how smart companies are all moving to the latter.

If history is any guide, this old school engineering-driven strategy will continue to tank companies that were once high flying technology darlings (e.g., HP, Dell, eBay, et al). We'll see how well u-he does following this approach over the long haul. I hope they have better luck.

You just need to Bitch. Probably stressed after the election. I get it. Need to vent.

Truth is there are a lot of soft synths in the world. more than you can use. If you don't like this one move on to another one. Surely Urs has other offerings that will suit you. The point of this release was to make a gorgeous sounding instrument that gave us something that was hard to find in software. Nothing more or less. Truth is it's much higher quality than a lot of modern dance synths. That kind of quality has a price.

[beely]

Ok, so no one here is actually curious to know whether users might prefer a slightly different layout of controls on the Repro-1 UI and a more consistent, intuitive modulation routing system (when the survey to acquire this information could be constructed in 5 minutes or less).

I think it's pretty clear that this was designed to be a faithful emulation, apart from the necessary features required to fit in to a modern system (eg, sync to host, velocity and so on).

As I said before, there are always people that want more features, wherever you choose to draw the line (hello, feature-creep!), and perhaps if you were creating this product, your likes and values would have led you to make different decisions, and your product would also be different.

However, Urs seems pretty happy with the decisions he made, and I for one am perfectly ok with them, as they fit my tastes well. Obviously, they don't fit you quite so well, and that's fine too. Any product can't be all things to everyone. We're lucky there are so many other products out there to pick and choose from!

As to your survey, I think the fact that you've continued to beat your point to death without much support gives you the data you need. Other instruments *do* have feature overload - and certainly u-he has plenty of them, and I find the lack of anything more than there is now actually a *plus* rather than a negative (and again, I appreciate that you feel differently, I have no problem with your opinion, I just don't agree with it in *this* case.)

This leads me to believe that people are afraid to have their preconceived ideas potentially disproved. Which means I need to add one final disparaging term to the list: "Spineless weenies." Ha ha.

No. It just seems that many here don't agree with you, and the ones that do, don't seem to be arguing the case. In any case, you've made your point (over and over now) so I think not much is to gained by continuing to argue that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong or "afraid of their preconceived ideas" (or whatever) and should change their mind.

We get it. Can we move on now please..? Thanks.

[Ah_Dziz]

Have you guys looked at the performance section? There's a way to have a AD mod envelope already included, and it makes ridiculous sounds when coupled with its hard wired routing.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to consider the LFO in Repro-1's distortion module a "Mod Envelope" (even though there are "AR" and "ASR" options). Again, if u-he is going to add features that weren't on the original instrument, why not do so in a more discoverable and intuitive manner?

I'm not sure why that point is so hard for certain members of this forum to grok. Unless the virtual instrument is intended as an exact replica of the original instrument, why not instead retain the spirit (and most importantly the sound) of the original while adding some modern conveniences (e.g., a more intuitive mod section).

It's like with the VW Bug. When Volkswagen brought back the bug a while ago, VW could have just reissued an exact replica of the original using some more modern components (e.g., a heater that actually works). But VW took the opportunity to retain what was fun and distinctive about the original and while still making it a modern, more reliable, and "feature rich" car.

That seems like a better approach than a slavish adherence to outdated designs.

It's an AD envelope which is what you had suggested. Works just like any other envelope.

The thing is intended as an exact replica of the pro 1 just like you said. I think at the price point and the level of quality it will give lots of people the experience of using a pro 1 without all the shitty downsides. You have one. I borrowed mine back for fun to compare. It captures the experience quite well, but with many useful features on top of the fact that it's software so far more useable. If they want to add more performance mod slots I won't be sad, but it's supposed to be a full emulation of the pro one so if it had just the features of the original it's still achieved its purpose. As it stands you get cool effects, two mod slots and all the awesomeness of not having to f**k with hardware for a crazy low price.

[Kindred]

You seem like a big baby
for being annoying, Asperger's-suffering twits?
accept your right to be fools
an embarrassing, obnoxious child
Oh Ye of Little Imagination (and any capacity for advanced thought)
Here's a suggestion: Try educating yourself
you appear utterly clueless.

Since I actually endeavor to act like a mature adult

Some room for improvement there...

Game, set, match

[Elektronisch]

I'm sorry, I don't see any appeal in turning Repro-1 into something else. I also don't have the time or headspace to argue this in any way, if we are to meet our goals and make our customers happy.

I'm sure most of our customers are very happy with Repro-1 as it is, and they certainly prefer me to slash CPU hunger rather than discuss changes in concept.

No definatly no need for that. I think RePro-1 is great in how it is.

Minus polymode and unison (but that would be more like Prophet 5), just because some presets just begs to be played in more then 1 key and the sound is gorgeaus but i embrace it how it is

[Gadget Fiend]

Ok, this is my last post on this topic (and any other on KVR depending on the outcome of the simple survey I am suggesting). It's really, really simple. Do potential Repro-1 customers prefer this:

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The survey should be directed at the vast majority of u-he customers who do not post on KVR. In other words, the fanboys who have posted over a thousand times on KVR, Gearslutz, etc. are not the target audience for this simple survey. It's for potential customers who are simply being asked which UI and feature set they prefer and which would be more likely to influence their buying decision (and correspondingly, their use and enjoyment of the product).

Incidentally, I get paid upwards of $200K a year to make these sorts of Product decisions. I have over 15 years experience doing so. And I can say with some certainty (bordering on a "guarantee") that potential customers will prefer the design that I have created. I get paid the "big bucks" (ha ha, if you only knew what it costs to live in San Francisco,) to be right about such things. Here's a hint: I actually listen to customers regarding what they want from a product and so it's pretty easy to be "right" most of the time.

That may sound horribly arrogant. And if so, then here's your chance to prove me wrong and to make me eat some "humble pie." I will never post again on KVR if I am wrong about this. Well, I will leave one last post to say that I was wrong and to apologize for wasting everyone's time.

What does anyone have to lose? A little ego-bruising can be good for the soul.

[AnX]

Urs already got some useful marketing data, Repro-1 sold first week a 100% better than Hive, their previous release (which does have the mod matrix you're so keen on).

Hive is not a related product, so not relevant.

The dats is also not relevant as only one version of repro1 was available. If two versions with slightly diff features were for sale, you would have accurate data.

All the figures show that urs put out is that ppl prefer repro1 over hive and bazille, so far.

[Hink]

Gadget Fiend, Urs has made his point, this is his thread about his product and not yours to hi-jack. If you like feel free to start your own thread will a poll option if you wish to continue this, however I cannot promise that such a thread wont be deleted by another mod.

Please everyone let's get this back on topic.

[izonin]

This whole thing reminds me that I haven't shared my thoughts about the Beta. In one word - organic! A very detailed emulation, true to the original.

[Urs]

The survey should be directed at the vast majority of u-he customers who do not post on KVR.

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What does anyone have to lose? A little ego-bruising can be good for the soul.

Our message would be "here, look, we're releasing a new product, but we're not sure if it's good enough". That survey would be a major PR disaster.

[Elektronisch]

Gadget Fiend actually your design idea reminds me of another synth by U-He called Hive.

[HcDoom]

Urs, please stop with emus and focus on Z3...its time that we finnaly buy it.

[spunkmuffin]

I wouldn't say engineering-driven, I'd say nostalgia-driven.

A week in since the initial beta release, Repro-1 has topped Hive's first week by 100% (i.e. it sold twice as often), Bazille's by 150%. Those were our most successful product launches ever, prior to this one. In fact Repro-1 has sold twice as many copies as Bazille in all of 2016. It's quite remarkable by our standards.

heehee wow! I mean WOW! Congratulations!

Please don't spend all the $$ on champagne Cheers for nostalgia!