K Brown Synth Bundle

[Kumi_27]

when he started spamming every site

As I see, other people started the thread here, not him. He joined the thread after that.

uh, yeah... they really are mostly "junk". it's not about the fact that they sound different, every one of these synths that i've tried is "broken" in one way or another.

You're taking a bike for free and complaining, that You need to use the pedals to move it and there is no roof

Maybe if Mr Brown had some feedback from people - how to change the parameters and connections between modules to achieve better results, these synths would be more usable and would sound better.
Afaik thanks to such feedback they have now named parameters, for example.
Maybe You will help to improve them too? Because apparently You know how they should sound.

[Numanoid]

Maybe if Mr Brown had some feedback from people - how to change the parameters and connections between modules to achieve better results, these synths would be more usable and would sound better.

OK so tell me, why is there a whole sub-forum devoted to DSP and Plug-in Development at KVR?
viewforum.php?f=33

[Kumi_27]

To emulate a specific synth's sound, You have to know the sound and the parameters of the original, and the dependencies between them. Knowing the programming techniques is just not enough - and these are clearly showing that.
Urs had a working Pro-One, not only a picture of it

And how exactly calling someone's work "junk" is considered a positive feedback?

[Numanoid]

Urs had a working Pro-One, not only a picture of it

Exactly

And how exactly calling someone's work "junk" is considered a positive feedback?

Why suger coat it, constructive critism is better than positive feedback. If is sounds not good, then it is better to say so up straight IMO

[jbuonacc]

As I see, other people started the thread here, not him. He joined the thread after that.

true, but since then he's been digging up old threads here and at other forums to promote these things. i'd be all for it if he wasn't wasting people's time.

You're taking a bike for free and complaining, that You need to use the pedals to move it and there is no roof

no, i'm complaining that the handlebars are loose and the chain falls off after riding it ten yards. again, have you actually tried these things? they're not right.

Maybe if Mr Brown had some feedback from people - how to change the parameters and connections between modules to achieve better results, these synths would be more usable and would sound better. Afaik thanks to such feedback they have now named parameters, for example.

that's what i'm doing, giving him feedback. can't help with trying to fix them, and it's not worth any more of my time either way. ... afaik, they now have named parameters because someone fixed them for him. they don't work for shit, but at least they have named parameters now.

Maybe You will help to improve them too? Because apparently You know how they should sound.

i am trying to help improve them. a lot more help then all the guys saying "thanks! these are great!" when they're just not. ... i don't know how they should sound, but i have some idea of how they should operate and how they shouldn't.

To emulate a specific synth's sound, You have to know the sound and the parameters of the original, and the dependencies between them. Knowing the programming techniques is just not enough - and these are clearly showing that.

man, are you joking or what? AGAIN... have you tried these things? THEY DON"T WORK CORRECTLY. a lot of the parameter ranges need to be reined in (at least), and it's dead obvious after spending even just a few minutes with them. load up his "Rolend SH-12" and then try something like 'Charlatan' or 'OB-Xd'. you'll quickly see what i mean.

i'm done. enjoy your free synths.

[Kumi_27]

I tried them. They work, sometimes in limited range of parameters (as You said Yourself), but they WORK.
They produce SOUND by means of digital SOUND SYNTHESIS and they don't crash my DAW.
(And many analogue synths will drive cat up the wall if You turn the knobs far enough, btw.)

People, look up the term "constructive criticism" in some dictionaries and tell me, where is it translated to "it's junk".
It's not trying to help. To the developer, it holds ZERO DATA to improve anything.

[kevin brown]

Well, though jbuonacc certainly could have gone about it in a less nasty and more specifically helpful way, in going back over his remarks and listening to the examples he posted it seems the big issue is how these act at too-high filter resonance settings and/or with feedback applied (I kept thinking to myself - well just turn the damn resonance down!) - I suppose it's a reasonable expectation that a synth shouldn't choke like that under any conditions. It never struck me as a big issue because I personally don't care for the sound of high filter resonance - that quacking duck sound; so since I don't use the synths that way (and I built these initially only for my own use) I never labored over how to prevent that behaviour.

The feedback issue I was more aware of, but I just thought the thickening of the sound one can achieve with it was worth having to 'baby' it to keep the filter from choking. But I guess for general public consumption, people expect a more 'bullet-proof' behaviour; fair enough.

I think my big initial mistake was not being more clear that these were not polished, fine-tuned products of an expert synth-coder, but just some stuff I knocked together in my spare time over the years and I just thought others might get some use out of them. My fervent hope when initially posting them at DSPR, was that one of the Flowstone gurus over there might find one or more of them interesting enough to take it further with their additional expertise and 'finish it up' for all to benefit from. Aside from some initial cleanup by Spogg over there (thanks), so far that `has not happened. The whole reason the .osm Synthmaker schematics are included in the folders is so someone might say "hmm, this one's interesting; needs some fixing - let's see what I can do", then share the result with everyone.

The other thing jbuonacc was experiencing was internal clipping, and I'm guilty as charged there - I didn't pay enough attention to gain structure. As a long time audio engineer, It's just second nature when I hear something clip, I turn down the thing in front of it. Again for general public, that should be less necessary.

So - I've gone back into a bunch of them and hopefully addressed some of these issues. My applogies to anyone whose made a bunch of presets for any of them - the changes may make them unusable in some of the new versions (most should be OK).

So far I've done:

80-vox
Atticus
Cassini
Chorg 770DV
cutOats
CyRinx
eXpando
Joker
Kroma Duette
Luge
M
minimodular
mOdyCat
Multipoly
Mx-Jr
Nebula
OatsFM
OB-2
Rolend Block-8
Rolend Cronus
Rolend JP-680
Rolend PG-238
Rolend SH-12
Rolend SH-57
Rolend SH-75
Rolend 101M
Syntha-kon
Synthegrated 12A
Synthegrated 15A
System One D
System One E
tableBlend
The Dodeca 258c
The Putnie

[sandyc]

Joined KVR as gmail account not accepted as address for flowstone. This is my first ever post on any forum after years of following various forums. I remember from my schooldays there were those who quietly sat who would not willingly participate and the loud mouthed louts who interrupted and disturbed the class. I wanted the creator of these synths to know that there are probably tens of silent observers who appreciate the hundreds of hours of creative input required to produce these synths. Your generosity has not gone unnoticed. And neither has your graciousness in replying to the uncalled for boorishness. Thanks for your continued efforts in improving these works in progess.

[bftucker]

....Thanks for your continued efforts in improving these works in progess.

[Cruba]

Someone doing such a lot of work (for personal fun or not), additionally free, some people should 1st think, then 2nd speak. i'll download the whole stuff tomorrow and I know it before listening and playing around with them: I will have lotta fun!

Rolend Cronus will be my personal highlight, because I heard about Gaia 1st time 2 days ago and I fell in love.

Ty mr. Brown for all the work!

[jbuonacc]

... some people should 1st think, then 2nd speak.

That's exactly what I did... I first thought "wow, these synths are f'ked up" then I spoke.

I will have lotta fun!

I though the same, but when I actually tried them the word "fun" was the last thing on my mind. Hopefully they're working better now.

[jbuonacc]

... the uncalled for boorishness.

As if. ... They were a mess, I told him, he fixed them (I guess?).

[kevin brown]

Here's another "f'cked up" synth for you to waste your time on.

It's one that wasn't in the original Bundle because it wasn't finished yet. Inspired initially by the DIY hardware synth, Goom. It had an interesting signal path, but no LFO! So I expanded it to three oscillators and gave it two freely assignable LFOs (one through the mod wheel) and two freely assignable Mod EGs. I implemented the oscillators as my favorite three-control multiwave (blendable Sine/Tri/Peak/Saw/Pulse). The filter is CS-80-style HP in series with LP (2 or 4-pole), with dedicated IL/AL/A/D/R envelope. I call it TriGoom.

Since the name Goom was clearly a wink at Moog, I did this up in minimoog-style livery (no, it doesn't SOUND like a minimoog!!, OK?

TriGoom_copy.jpg

[wagtunes]

FTR, I think Kevin's synths are great. I would have them all if I could get them to work on my PC. I remember initially downloading them years ago. No luck getting them to work. Still sad about this but that's life.

Kevin, I think what you're doing is great stuff. Maybe one day when 32 bit machines are no longer made, you'll give us some 64 bit versions of your work. That would really make my day.

[jbuonacc]

FTR, I think Kevin's synths are great. I would have them all if I could get them to work on my PC. I remember initially downloading them years ago. No luck getting them to work. Still sad about this but that's life.

So you've never actually used them, but they're "great"?