New Fabfilter teaser (Pro-R Reverb)
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- KVRian
- 1264 posts since 26 Feb, 2016
A little fun and experimentation.
One thing Pro-R does very well, due to its built in equalizers, is allow for automation of the frequencies.
This can result in some interesting tonalities.
- KVRAF
- 25017 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
So schnöselig neu-reich kennen wir sie, die Schweizer...stardustmedia wrote:Hahaha.. people complaining about 100 or 170 euros for a highend reverb. Gee, people are you cheap.
nicht jeder auf der Welt verdient so viel Kohle für so Wenig was-auch-immer (der Ausdruck "Arbeit" ist hier nicht grundsätzlich annähernd adäquat) wie ein Zürcher.
- KVRAF
- 25017 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
So schnöselig neu-reich kennen wir sie, die Schweizer...stardustmedia wrote:Hahaha.. people complaining about 100 or 170 euros for a highend reverb. Gee, people are you cheap.
nicht Jeder auf der Welt verdient so viel Kohle für so Wenig was-auch-immer (der Ausdruck "Arbeit" ist hier nicht grundsätzlich annähernd adäquat) wie ein Zürcher.
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- KVRAF
- 1676 posts since 17 Dec, 2002 from Yorkshire
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- KVRAF
- 5201 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
I also tryed the demo....gone trough all patches and of course compared it with my favourite reverbs (B2 and Aether).
It ´s a nice reverb for sure and it works great for a lot stuff.
But really large spaces which i love are not possible due to short reverb times, not much dense and a few other things. B2 f.e. has so much more depth. B2 cost even more (but i got it on a sale once for about the same as the Fabfilter reverb) of course.
What i really like is that Fabfilter Pro-R it offers smooth changes of parameters without cracks, drops etc. and a low cpu use. But it´s not even close in depth or quality compared to my other ones.
I would buy it in a heartbeat when it comes in Auria Pro for iOS since i think it will cost about 30-40$ and is there one of the best reverbs then but in desktop land it´s is not even close...sorry.
That is of course my personal meaning and no one cares but i said it since it´s an open world
However, i wish Fabfilter much success with it and hope it works out well for them since i think it´s a great company (even if i find their desktop prices a bit over the top).
Maybe i just fall too much in love with really lush and giant reverbs which this can´t handle.
It ´s a nice reverb for sure and it works great for a lot stuff.
But really large spaces which i love are not possible due to short reverb times, not much dense and a few other things. B2 f.e. has so much more depth. B2 cost even more (but i got it on a sale once for about the same as the Fabfilter reverb) of course.
What i really like is that Fabfilter Pro-R it offers smooth changes of parameters without cracks, drops etc. and a low cpu use. But it´s not even close in depth or quality compared to my other ones.
I would buy it in a heartbeat when it comes in Auria Pro for iOS since i think it will cost about 30-40$ and is there one of the best reverbs then but in desktop land it´s is not even close...sorry.
That is of course my personal meaning and no one cares but i said it since it´s an open world
However, i wish Fabfilter much success with it and hope it works out well for them since i think it´s a great company (even if i find their desktop prices a bit over the top).
Maybe i just fall too much in love with really lush and giant reverbs which this can´t handle.
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- KVRist
- 50 posts since 3 Nov, 2015 from Germany
I just used Pro-R as a ambience reverb while mastering one of my customers songs. Oh boy, this was probably the quickest setup I experienced.
I started using the "Basic" preset (which is like a neutral init preset) and shortened the "space" as well as the "decay rate". "Brightness", "distance" & "stereo width" are intuitive parameters that helped a lot fitting the needs. One of the features which made Pro-R worth it is the decay rate eq. I used all 6 bands on it and made the verb less muddy in bass and mids, gave the snare and vocals a longer tail and shortened it again on the highs. The included Pro-Q like eq is a good workflow feature since I eq the reverb signal anyway. In this case it was useful adjusting the presence of some frequencies.
To me the "predelay" parameter is a bit lost on the bottom of the screen. I've overlooked it the first time. It would've been better placing it with the other controls. But I think they did it the way they did for ui symmetry
A big thumbs up for the sync button there. This is nice for gated reverbs fx. Unfortunately it just can be locked to straight note values. Dotted or at least triplets have pretty common uses too. Maybe a update feature?
As a final test today I took a project and replaced the arts acoustic & lexicon reverb with Pro-R. It was easy tweaking the parameters till it sounded close. Of course it sounded different but not in a good or bad way, just different. If you're used to a sound and mixed a song with it for a long time, it's pretty hard switching out this essential part.
To me there's definitely a need for it and I'll test Pro-R more frequently in future projets eventhough I own other great reverbs.
I don't think 169€ is too much for a good reverb. But if one already has the "I'm against it" view he might see that in a different way. But I'm also biased since I got a big discount and only paid 101€ because of my FabFilter product history.
I started using the "Basic" preset (which is like a neutral init preset) and shortened the "space" as well as the "decay rate". "Brightness", "distance" & "stereo width" are intuitive parameters that helped a lot fitting the needs. One of the features which made Pro-R worth it is the decay rate eq. I used all 6 bands on it and made the verb less muddy in bass and mids, gave the snare and vocals a longer tail and shortened it again on the highs. The included Pro-Q like eq is a good workflow feature since I eq the reverb signal anyway. In this case it was useful adjusting the presence of some frequencies.
To me the "predelay" parameter is a bit lost on the bottom of the screen. I've overlooked it the first time. It would've been better placing it with the other controls. But I think they did it the way they did for ui symmetry
As a final test today I took a project and replaced the arts acoustic & lexicon reverb with Pro-R. It was easy tweaking the parameters till it sounded close. Of course it sounded different but not in a good or bad way, just different. If you're used to a sound and mixed a song with it for a long time, it's pretty hard switching out this essential part.
To me there's definitely a need for it and I'll test Pro-R more frequently in future projets eventhough I own other great reverbs.
I don't think 169€ is too much for a good reverb. But if one already has the "I'm against it" view he might see that in a different way. But I'm also biased since I got a big discount and only paid 101€ because of my FabFilter product history.
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- KVRAF
- 2429 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA
wagtunes wrote:Well, this seals the deal. Ridiculous price for a reverb. Moving on from this train wreck.
Gee, over-react much?
Apparently, if it's not 50 bucks like a Valhalla product, it's a "train wreck." Let's see, verbs that cost 200+, just the ones that immediately come to mind....
Altiverb
Lexicon PCM Native
Lexicon LXP Native
Aether
B2
Waves H-Verb
Exponential Audio R2
Slate Verbsuite Classics
that's a lot of trainwrecks!!
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- KVRAF
- 3402 posts since 6 Nov, 2006
logged in to my account and it's priced at $119.
gonna check out the demo asap.
gonna check out the demo asap.
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- KVRist
- 140 posts since 26 Feb, 2016
I also use B2, but do find that it is so CPU heavy. I am really liking Pro-R & have managed to get a huge, lush sounding reverb with a 20 second decay time. I'm not sure that I need more than a 20 second decay, even though the music that I make is very ambient.Cinebient wrote: But really large spaces which i love are not possible due to short reverb times, not much dense and a few other things. B2 f.e. has so much more depth. B2 cost even more (but i got it on a sale once for about the same as the Fabfilter reverb) of course
Maybe i just fall too much in love with really lush and giant reverbs which this can´t handle.
I really like that it is so quick to get a really good sound. I also love the fact that it is much lower on CPU than B2.
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- KVRist
- 140 posts since 26 Feb, 2016
No, they are very different beasts. This is an alternative to traditional algorithmic reverbs, Adaptiverb is something entirely differentbronxsound wrote:would it be a good alternative for adaptiverb?
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- KVRAF
- 5201 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
That's true but there are a lot reverbs out there which are low on cpu.virtualpt wrote:I also use B2, but do find that it is so CPU heavy. I am really liking Pro-R & have managed to get a huge, lush sounding reverb with a 20 second decay time. I'm not sure that I need more than a 20 second decay, even though the music that I make is very ambient.Cinebient wrote: But really large spaces which i love are not possible due to short reverb times, not much dense and a few other things. B2 f.e. has so much more depth. B2 cost even more (but i got it on a sale once for about the same as the Fabfilter reverb) of course
Maybe i just fall too much in love with really lush and giant reverbs which this can´t handle.
I really like that it is so quick to get a really good sound. I also love the fact that it is much lower on CPU than B2.
But if i have to compare the size and immersive sound in words, Pro-R is the little room while B2 is the space ship building hall. It's worth the cpu for me. It sounds so much better for me (and of course offers much more as "simple" reverberation).
I can run 5-10 instances on my notebook. I'm fine with that mostly.
But each reverb has a place since they all offer different things. F.e. B2 can't replace Aether because of the awesome slowly customizable evolving decays.
Pro-R for sure find it's place.
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- KVRist
- 395 posts since 23 Mar, 2016
Great effect! Instantly reminds me of old sci-fi movies (which I love). Seems a shame now that it doesn't have one of FF's standard modulation panels along the bottom to push LFOs onto the core controls.SteveWZ wrote:
A little fun and experimentation.
One thing Pro-R does very well, due to its built in equalizers, is allow for automation of the frequencies.
This can result in some interesting tonalities.
Omnisphere & ArcSyn patches: https://richarddehove.com/soundware/
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My music: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-XdT2 ... 55tGwjEDUA
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1945 posts since 25 Feb, 2005
I was thinking the exact same thing !!!!Richard deHove wrote:Great effect! Instantly reminds me of old sci-fi movies (which I love). Seems a shame now that it doesn't have one of FF's standard modulation panels along the bottom to push LFOs onto the core controls.SteveWZ wrote:
A little fun and experimentation.
One thing Pro-R does very well, due to its built in equalizers, is allow for automation of the frequencies.
This can result in some interesting tonalities.
Mac Studio M4
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Cubase 15, Ableton Live 12
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Cubase 15, Ableton Live 12
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- Banned
- 5357 posts since 7 May, 2015
That's good to know.elxsound wrote: Very low CPU consumption.
As far as the rest, it's all subjective. In a world of variety it's not necessary to have one that replaces everything.
