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Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:42 pm

Numanoid wrote:Wow, you guys know how to make the longest quote possible

I just edited it, as that really was long.

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:19 pm

We will have a review of The Legend in the next issue of SoundBytes. I added some audio examples too.

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:04 pm

Finally took the time to download the demo. I'm sticking with Monark for now. Legend has a nice GUI, but not my cup of tea soundwise.

yul · Post by **yul** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:49 pm

Anyone please explain how drive and feedback knobs relate compared to the original which only had a external in? Is this perhaps some additional control over the signal? Thanks!

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:58 pm

yul wrote:Anyone please explain how drive and feedback knobs relate compared to the original which only had a external in? Is this perhaps some additional control over the signal? Thanks!

Overall it seems to be an implementation of the overload trick in the original Minimoog Model D.

Here is one of the descriptions for this:

For those lucky enough to still have a Minimoog, here’s a little trick suggested by Bob Moog himself! Take an audio cable and route it from the Minimoog Model D’s low output jack to the external input. Turn on the external input switch in the Moog’s Mixer section and set the external volume control to the point where the overload light just blinks intermittently. The net result is a much fatter overall sound, perfect for a screaming lead tone or a monster bass line!

in most cases using the "Drive" knob in The Legend is enough. In Monark there is a comparable feature/knob called "Load".

yul · Post by **yul** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:38 pm

Thanks. Indeed feedback is equivalent to the original loop trick with external volume knob.

I guess my only question is around the drive since this wasn't there on the original as such.

I believe you could overdrive the mixer/VCA by just bringing the osc levels to the max although in this case the drive knob seems to work even at low osc levels..

In any case, the results are superb especially with the oscs at low level and feedback enabled.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:46 am

Yorrrrrr wrote:Now that I have both Legend and RePro-1, I have to say that *if* I had to choose, I would definitely go with Legend, for sure. If they're both accurate emulations, maybe if I lived in the era of the hardware I guess I would definitely choose the Minimoog Model D over the Pro One. The sound of Legend/Minimoog is magic to me!.......BUT, I DON'T have to choose one over the other. They can coexist happily, so...it's great to have both emulations in the end. They sound and behave quite different.

Legend is more versatile with the unison and polyphonic modes. But there are always Minimoog emulations available... Diva or Arturia are not such bad.
Repro on the other side has not so many competitors. For people which cannot make a decision between both and if they always own Diva/Arturia, Repro could be the more interesting option.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:42 am

4damind wrote:
Yorrrrrr wrote:Now that I have both Legend and RePro-1, I have to say that *if* I had to choose, I would definitely go with Legend, for sure. If they're both accurate emulations, maybe if I lived in the era of the hardware I guess I would definitely choose the Minimoog Model D over the Pro One. The sound of Legend/Minimoog is magic to me!.......BUT, I DON'T have to choose one over the other. They can coexist happily, so...it's great to have both emulations in the end. They sound and behave quite different.
Legend is more versatile with the unison and polyphonic modes. But there are always Minimoog emulations available... Diva or Arturia are not such bad.
Repro on the other side has not so many competitors. For people which cannot make a decision between both and if they always own Diva/Arturia, Repro could be the more interesting option.

For an accurate Minimoog emulation IMO only The Legend and Monark are options while The Legend is the best (again IMO of course).
I had bought Repro-1 too so i do not have to choose. They are not actually comparable and you have to decide if you need a proper Minimoog or Pro One or just both.
At the moment both The Legend and Repro-1 seem to be a kind of new benchmarks in terms of realistic analog modeling of classic vintage synths.

yul · Post by **yul** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:56 pm

Bump

yul wrote:

I guess my only question is around the drive since this wasn't there on the original as such.

I believe you could overdrive the mixer/VCA by just bringing the osc levels to the max although in this case the drive knob seems to work even at low osc levels..

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:32 pm

Richard_Synapse · Post by **Richard_Synapse** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:20 pm

yul wrote:

I guess my only question is around the drive since this wasn't there on the original as such.

I believe you could overdrive the mixer/VCA by just bringing the osc levels to the max although in this case the drive knob seems to work even at low osc levels..

The "original" drive value is around 10% in The Legend. The BT patches in the Vintage subfolder, which were designed to match the original hardware as close as possible, use this setting. And yes, with this setting you will get some saturation, this is audible with all 3 oscillators set to maximum volume. By lowering the oscillator volumes, it is possible to get less saturation where desired. More often, however, sound designers seem to long for more drive - hence we chose the original drive value near minimum (with some headroom to account for part tolerances/different revisions). So most of the Drive knob range gives more drive compared to the original.

As far as the VCA is concerned, it always saturates, and how much depends on how much signal is coming from the VCF. In order to obtain some control here as well, we added the VCA Saturation trimpot on the back panel. Overall, the VCA saturation is a somewhat more subtle effect though compared to the VCF saturation which is a key ingredient to the sound.

Richard

yul · Post by **yul** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:34 pm

Thanks for your response and clarification!

2ZrgE · Post by **2ZrgE** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:05 pm

On the fence of buying here, really like the sound, GUI is rather ok (still I would prefer more than three sizes, Sylenth style zooming would be a dream, or 10% increment like U-he).

What I really miss is an arp (or even a kind of little arp/sequencer like Sylenth, Predator or Saurus have).

With some very interesting new synths coming I guess I'll have to wait a little longer before I get out my purse.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:26 pm

I've been putting BlueArp and Kirnu in front of The Legend with great success but I'll agree that a built in Arp would be nice in a future version so the settings could be saved in the patch.

If you really like the sound of The Legend I wouldn't let the lack of a built in Arp stop you from buying it since there are great free Arps available that are much more feature rich than a built in Arp would likely be....

Aryaroman · Post by **Aryaroman** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:02 am

How much lighter in terms of CPU is Legend compared to Monark?

Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!