It was bound to happen: an 80s instrument

[Numanoid]

Probably because they didn't recreate the internal structure of the synth. Still, I think it's interesting that Roland let it go but prevented others of sampling their D-50. Nice find!

One of my fav Kontakt libs

They even feature a picture and description of the D50 on that page, so there can be no misunderstanding that the product is made from the D50

[Numanoid]

Roland/Persing are missing a huge opportunity in my opinion. If they released an accurate VSTi/AU/AAX version of the D-50 I'm of the opinion it would sell like hotcakes. I would buy a VSTi version in a heartbeat and it just might....might...be the one instrument that I would buy a Dongle to use (of course I'd prefer no dongle/iLok).

The closest so far is the VC1 V-card
http://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/roland-vc1-v-card

Instead of a dongle you need a V-Synth

"The VC1 card itself looks similar to a laptop PCMCIA adaptor."

If only it could penetrate that laptop hole too and inject it with its sensual sounds

[beely]

How has PNS managed to sell Deepflight without breaching any copyright?

From what I can see, that library doesn't sample the D-50 presets - it may be that the bulk of it's sounds are samples of patches made using the VA engine, or at least PCM samples that aren't that recognisable.

And/or it's possible that Roland don't know about it, or deemed it not worth bothering with.

And just because it's still for sale doesn't mean it's not breaching their copyright, just that nothing has been done about it for any of the above reasons (or other reasons.)

I think the main reason the LA50 got stomped upon was that the way it was done and/or marketed offended Eric Persing who then got Roland to take it down (Eric was the author of all or nearly all the factory patches, although I'm not sure whether he was also involved in the sample content creation).

[Numanoid]

From what I can see, that library doesn't sample the D-50 presets - it may be that the bulk of it's sounds are samples of patches made using the VA engine, or at least PCM samples that aren't that recognisable.

But from what you see on the BeatSkillz KZ page you determine that it is made from D-50 presets ?

I think you need stronger arguments in both regards.

[Teksonik]

Roland/Persing are missing a huge opportunity in my opinion. If they released an accurate VSTi/AU/AAX version of the D-50 I'm of the opinion it would sell like hotcakes. I would buy a VSTi version in a heartbeat and it just might....might...be the one instrument that I would buy a Dongle to use (of course I'd prefer no dongle/iLok).

The closest so far is the VC1 V-card
http://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/roland-vc1-v-card

Instead of a dongle you need a V-Synth

Yes I am aware of that card. It would probably be cheaper to buy a used original D-50 which I have come close to doing over the years.

But I'd much rather have a VSTi version to work in the box. After all this time it's probably never going to happen but hey one can wish.....

[Numanoid]

And/or it's possible that Roland don't know about it, or deemed it not worth bothering with.

It is even resold by Propellerheads, so it is kind of weird if Roland/Big Eric shoot down a small time dev like Binarymusic's LA50, why not take down the bigger fish too?
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/ ... ster-pack/

[beely]

From what I can see, that library doesn't sample the D-50 presets - it may be that the bulk of it's sounds are samples of patches made using the VA engine, or at least PCM samples that aren't that recognisable.

But from what you see on the BeatSkillz KZ page you determine that it is made from D-50 presets?

I wasn't commenting on the BeatSkillz page, I was commenting on the other one that was posted above ("Deepflight").

I don't know anything about the BeatSkillz one, and haven't commented on it at all.

I think you need stronger arguments in both regards.

I think you do! (As well as reading my posts before trying to argue against them!)

[AnX]

DeepFlight is based on 1GB sound samples of the famous Roland D-50 synth from the late 80's.

Its not clear what exactly they sampled...

[Numanoid]

I don't know anything about the BeatSkillz one, and haven't commented on it at all.

But the OP started this thread to talk about BeatSkillz KZ

So why you got 10+ posts in this thread if you haven't commented on it?

[beely]

DeepFlight is based on 1GB sound samples of the famous Roland D-50 synth from the late 80's.

Its not clear what exactly they sampled...

"Deepflight was created from sounds that were custom developed for the Roland D50. Now, there seems to be some conventional wisdom floating around that if you try to sell anything sampled from the D50, you can expect to hear from some lawyers of Roland or Eric Persing (principal sound developer for the D50) commanding you to cease and desist. I asked Andras Haasz about this and he said that this has never been a problem. He has not sampled the factory patches but rather created his own presets. We can all hope that doing it this way is sufficient protection from unwarranted legal wrangling."

SO my conjecture that Deepflight doesn't sample the factory presets appears to be correct. I don't know how much of this patches use the PCM waves though - anyone have the library and can examine it?

[beely]

I don't know anything about the BeatSkillz one, and haven't commented on it at all.

But the OP started this thread to talk about BeatSkillz KZ

So why you got 10+ posts in this thread if you haven't commented on it?

If you were reading the thread, Deepflight was brought up as an example of a library that wasn't taken down, and I suggested some reasons why that might be the case. It was even clear in the quote at the beginning of that post that I was referring to Deepflight.

Keep up with the conversation, chap!

(My previous posts were all related to sampling and copyright issues regarding the D-50, which was were the topic was going at that point.)

[Numanoid]

and I suggested some reasons why that might be the case.

Oooh, then I get it

But do try reading the OP sometimes too

You know what OP means right, the thread starter

[beely]

and I suggested some reasons why that might be the case.

Oooh, then I get it

Apology accepted!

[Numanoid]

(My previous posts were all related to sampling and copyright issues regarding the D-50, which was were the topic was going at that point.)

Which of course has nothing or little to do with the original topic

But you got to showcase what kind of moral authority you are though, without actually knowing which product this thread is about

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=473336&start=55

[beely]

But you got to showcase what kind of moral authority you are though, without actually knowing which product this thread is about

Yeah, ok.