It was bound to happen: an 80s instrument

[Numanoid]

Yeah, ok.

Apology accepted. That is OK then

[AnX]

DeepFlight is based on 1GB sound samples of the famous Roland D-50 synth from the late 80's.

Its not clear what exactly they sampled...

"Deepflight was created from sounds that were custom developed for the Roland D50. Now, there seems to be some conventional wisdom floating around that if you try to sell anything sampled from the D50, you can expect to hear from some lawyers of Roland or Eric Persing (principal sound developer for the D50) commanding you to cease and desist. I asked Andras Haasz about this and he said that this has never been a problem. He has not sampled the factory patches but rather created his own presets. We can all hope that doing it this way is sufficient protection from unwarranted legal wrangling."

SO my conjecture that Deepflight doesn't sample the factory presets appears to be correct. I don't know how much of this patches use the PCM waves though - anyone have the library and can examine it?

Makes sense.

[ghettosynth]

Probably because they didn't recreate the internal structure of the synth. Still, I think it's interesting that Roland let it go but prevented others of sampling their D-50. Nice find!

One of my fav Kontakt libs

They even feature a picture and description of the D50 on that page, so there can be no misunderstanding that the product is made from the D50

A laughable incorrect description. The D50 does NOT have "analog filters."

[Numanoid]

A laughable incorrect description. The D50 does NOT have "analog filters."

And that is why I call you a Pro

As I remember you earlier called the D-50 "a rompler with shitty filters" and that stuck in my mind as a sober description

[beely]

A laughable incorrect description. The D50 does NOT have "analog filters."

And that is why I call you a Pro

As I remember you earlier called the D-50 "a rompler with shitty filters" and that stuck in my mind as a sober description

Ah, a post responding to another post, and not directly about the OP.
So you *do* know how this works..!

[ghettosynth]

DeepFlight is based on 1GB sound samples of the famous Roland D-50 synth from the late 80's.

Its not clear what exactly they sampled...

"Deepflight was created from sounds that were custom developed for the Roland D50. Now, there seems to be some conventional wisdom floating around that if you try to sell anything sampled from the D50, you can expect to hear from some lawyers of Roland or Eric Persing (principal sound developer for the D50) commanding you to cease and desist. I asked Andras Haasz about this and he said that this has never been a problem. He has not sampled the factory patches but rather created his own presets. We can all hope that doing it this way is sufficient protection from unwarranted legal wrangling."

SO my conjecture that Deepflight doesn't sample the factory presets appears to be correct. I don't know how much of this patches use the PCM waves though - anyone have the library and can examine it?

But, sampling the presets may attract Roland's lawyers, but that, by itself isn't the problem. The problem is sampling the samples. So if you use PCM samples it's every bit as "illegal" as sampling a preset with samples.

I don't recall, but I'm not sure if there are any factory presets that don't use an attack wave.

In any case, regarding the bold statement above, it isn't, and the "wrangling" may or may not be unwarranted. On the one hand you have no implicit right to make a derivative work of someone's protected work, but on the other, it's not clear that every sample in the D50, in fact, has the claimed protection.

[Numanoid]

Ah, a post responding to another post, and not directly about the OP.
So you *do* know how this works..!

I understand the need for pupils to point out error in the teacher.

But I actually know about the BeatSkillz KZ, I even posted about it in the bargains thread before this thread was started.

[beely]

I don't recall, but I'm not sure if there are any factory presets that don't use an attack wave.

Yeah there are, I already mentioned one - "Soundtrack" - which use only the VA square waves (I know as I've analysed that patch quite a bit.)

[beely]

I understand the need for pupils to point out error in the teacher.

I've not the slightest idea of what you're talking about now, but I think that's enough of this now, talking about the D-50 is far more interesting for everybody, so let's leave it there, please.

[Numanoid]

talking about the D-50

Talking about BeatSkillz KZ is what this thread is about

Out of the synths used to make the plugin, why is everybody hung up on the D-50

"We sampled and tweaked these patched from original synths such as Fairlight, Synclavier, Yamaha DX7, Roland D-50, EMULATOR II, KORG M1, OBERHEIM OBX, PROPHET 5, SYNTHEX and many more…"

[ghettosynth]

A laughable incorrect description. The D50 does NOT have "analog filters."

And that is why I call you a Pro

As I remember you earlier called the D-50 "a rompler with shitty filters" and that stuck in my mind as a sober description

Well, that's pretty much what it is. I don't really understand the appeal of the D50. It's not even multisampled, it's pretty basic. I have a copy of the factory raw waves, they're out there. You can knock up your own basic D50 patches in Kontakt in short order if you're even halfway competent.

It was fantastic for its time, but that was then.

[ghettosynth]

talking about the D-50

Talking about BeatSkillz KZ is what this thread is about

Out of the synths used to make the plugin, why is everybody hung up on the D-50

"We sampled and tweaked these patched from original synths such as Fairlight, Synclavier, Yamaha DX7, Roland D-50, EMULATOR II, KORG M1, OBERHEIM OBX, PROPHET 5, SYNTHEX and many more…"

Because it's the only thing likely to cause a fuss. Roland is notoriously aggressive, Korg, not so much. In fact Korg had some language in their license agreement that granted limited use in instrument contexts at some point. The Emulator libraries may or may not be subject to protection, that's harder to say. Since you applied bold to the rest of them, I suggest that you read this thread in its entirety so that you learn something about copyright before you start shouting at everyone else.

[Numanoid]

Since you applied bold to the rest of them

I did that to underline that BeatSkillz KZ also feature input from those synths and samplers

Still I think 40 bucks is too much to pay for just about 100 patches. I stick with my copy of Digital Synsations.

[ghettosynth]

Since you applied bold to the rest of them

I did that to underline that BeatSkillz KZ also feature input from those synths and samplers

Yes, I got that, but, there's no issue with sampling those all day long. So there is no legal issue AT ALL! That's why they're not being included in any conversation about legal issues.

[Numanoid]

Yes, I got that, but, there's no issue with sampling those all day long. So there is no legal issue AT ALL! That's why they're not being included in any conversation about legal issues.

Starting to wonder if you are CompyFox in disguise?

This thread was never started about legal issues, but to talk about a new product called KZ

If you want to ride the legal issues, why not just alert Big Eric or Roland