Waves Abbey Road...Audio A/Bs...ANYONE???

[wagtunes]

This is a decent walkthrough.



I'm not really interested in the noise and crackle effects - but more the sound it has on a mix/master (like Slate's VTM).

Worth a demo, from this vid I'd say.

Hey man, thanks for this. Well, I must be going deaf because outside of the tape stop and the noise and crackle, I didn't hear any noticeable differences with all that knob turning. Is it just me or is this thing really subtle?

No worries...

It does seem pretty subtle alright. On the material he uses it does give a little more pleasant tone, from what I can hear (but nothing ground breaking).

I'd need to have a decent listen to it with monitors. Looks like it's worth a demo though.

Do you think it would have more of an effect on dense mixes?

[Robmobius]

This is a decent walkthrough.



I'm not really interested in the noise and crackle effects - but more the sound it has on a mix/master (like Slate's VTM).

Worth a demo, from this vid I'd say.

Hey man, thanks for this. Well, I must be going deaf because outside of the tape stop and the noise and crackle, I didn't hear any noticeable differences with all that knob turning. Is it just me or is this thing really subtle?

No worries...

It does seem pretty subtle alright. On the material he uses it does give a little more pleasant tone, from what I can hear (but nothing ground breaking).

I'd need to have a decent listen to it with monitors. Looks like it's worth a demo though.

Do you think it would have more of an effect on dense mixes?

Not too sure to be honest. I'm working so I've not had a chance to install the demo yet. If it's anything like Slate's then it probably would.

I'd really be looking for something like this to add on the master bus - just add some pleasant character. Assuming it can actually do what they claim (and I can actually hear a difference).

[ghettosynth]

This is a decent walkthrough.



I'm not really interested in the noise and crackle effects - but more the sound it has on a mix/master (like Slate's VTM).

Worth a demo, from this vid I'd say.

Hey man, thanks for this. Well, I must be going deaf because outside of the tape stop and the noise and crackle, I didn't hear any noticeable differences with all that knob turning. Is it just me or is this thing really subtle?

No worries...

It does seem pretty subtle alright. On the material he uses it does give a little more pleasant tone, from what I can hear (but nothing ground breaking).

I'd need to have a decent listen to it with monitors. Looks like it's worth a demo though.

I don't think that's a very good demo. Why do people use these things with the needles slamming? I noticed a significant difference when I adjusted it and the Kramer Tape like you do with actual hardware. Yes you can push them a bit, but I feel like I'm hearing some distortion on the bass in that demo. For my own material, it sounded better when I setup the input level so that the needles weren't buried.

To my ears, the effect is quite noticeable on my own material. You get a smoothing of the transients and a nice subtle bass enhancement/warmth that I'm not sure that I could get with other plugins. It also sounds bloody fantastic on drum loops.

I have almost no interest in the crackle/noise/dust component, I turn them off, and I've not really explored the wow/flutter/phase distortion elements much, I've left those at the default settings. The tonearm position has a definite effect, but it is subtle. For the purists, it automates cleanly so you can have the needle move to the inside as your track plays.

The desk button is also subtle. There is, however, a very noticeable difference between the different cartridges and also the lacquer/pressed vinyl settings.

I've been playing vinyl as a DJ for a while and I've also spent a bit of time trying to rip my DJ vinyl collection so I might be more sensitive to the differences than others. This is the kind of thing that I'd typically be a naysayer on, but, I have to say that I like the sound of some of my masters going through a digital tape deck and then a digital vinyl press. The tape effect is subtle and I've never been all that convinced that it makes much difference on its own, but, the vinyl emulator seems to amplify the effect enough to make the chain worthwhile.

You should demo it and blind test yourself to make sure that you can actually hear the difference and prefer the sound for some things, but I think that this is a pretty cool plugin.

[plexuss]

I used it to master a track recently. I can't post the track due to copyright. I didn't use any of the vinyl sounds but just as an analogue processor. It made the track sound better, bringing the vocals up and more clear and giving the whole track a wider sense of soundstage. I didn't spend tons of time with it because the settings just seemed to work. its an all acoustic track with vocals and lots of acoustic guitars. I am likely going to purchase it and use it as a "analogue sound stage processor" as I dont generally have a use for the "effects" of the vinyl noises etc. I with the TG mastering deck had some parameters to adjust just to dial it in better. so I am mostly "sold" on it.

[Harry_HH]

I used it to master a track recently. I can't post the track due to copyright. I didn't use any of the vinyl sounds but just as an analogue processor. It made the track sound better, bringing the vocals up and more clear and giving the whole track a wider sense of soundstage. I didn't spend tons of time with it because the settings just seemed to work. its an all acoustic track with vocals and lots of acoustic guitars. I am likely going to purchase it and use it as a "analogue sound stage processor" as I dont generally have a use for the "effects" of the vinyl noises etc. I with the TG mastering deck had some parameters to adjust just to dial it in better. so I am mostly "sold" on it.

That's my impression, too, I mean the anologue desk is pretty good-sounding- I haven't had time to concentrate on the plugin/manual, but read somewhere that the prestage is similar to the AR TG12345 desk.(?)

For crackles and pops, flutter and stops there several other choises available.

[telmofmm]

Come on guys... $249 regular price? For this!?

I can see this being useful to create an old vinyl sound, as an effect, by pushing up those noise/crackle/phase distortion controls.
But use this on a bus to give a song "that characteristic vinyl sound"? The controls that shape the tone are all very subtle, nothing that an EQ couldn't already do.

Waves have some really great stuff, but this one? I just don't see how it's worth even the $99 discounted price.

[ghettosynth]

Come on guys... $249 regular price? For this!?

I can see this being useful to create an old vinyl sound, as an effect, by pushing up those noise/crackle/phase distortion controls.
But use this on a bus to give a song "that characteristic vinyl sound"? The controls that shape the tone are all very subtle, nothing that an EQ couldn't already do.

Waves have some really great stuff, but this one? I just don't see how it's worth even the $99 discounted price.

Well, but, nobody pays retail for Waves. In any case, that's a testable hypothesis.

[kukla]

Well, as I'm well into especially the abbey road series from waves, added this nice plugin among J37, TG12345, Kramer, NLS and few more. My first impression is that this one would have a better all-round use compared to others like J37 and TG12345 as they bring their character strong and say "hey I'm there!". Although I like the J37 alone very much, %90 of the time my tries fail and it can not make it in the chain.

Vinly gives hope about that. TG Desk has an impact far more than being subtle. Lacquier type of generation sounds like it has its own rules. I liked the cartridge and turntable choices, ar and mc the most and I think dj cartridge is broken . Noise/crackle/clicks sound useful when needed. And wow and flutter at low depths sound promising to me.

I think Vinly will find more places of use for me, as the kramer tape...... now that makes me happy.

[realmarco]

the ear likes to hear Wow Flutter and pitch-wavering
and some people got used to the frequency response of tape recording being recorded on Vynils.

back in those days engineers had to make compromises for stuff to be able to be played back.
they had to Mono the bass and have less Dynamic range so that the needle wouldnt physically bounce on the peaks.
and u had to make sure this was the case for all the songs on one Vynil this was called "mastering"

when CDs came out they were a revelation for mix and Mastering engineers,technically on paper Digital is much better.
-we don't need to record Loud to have sound compete with tape noise
-we can have songs super loud and dynamic that would make Vynils un-playable
- with High-end AD and DA the recording medium is totally transparent..try that with tape

but people got used to the technicall drawbacks of technology

now everything that is old old is New. its the same for everything now, compressors,limiters, EQs, guitar pedals Delays Reverb(spring and plate) modulation Effects

New records sound different thanks to new plastics and having better and more consistent electric motors