Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[Cinebient]

Avenger has pretty advanced modulation possibilities, I'm sure it can be used (like most other synths) for ambient music. It's just a matter of how skilled you are

I will see. I miss a simple way to do a kind of vector based synthesis or wave sequencing.
But i could imagine that this could be done via the sample stacker.
I just wish there would be a single envelope to crossfade between the samples.
Maybe there is? Didn´t find info about it in the manual or video.
I know there is a seperat volume control for each stacked sample but then i need a modulator for each one.
My go-to for very experimental, evolving and moving pads is still an iOS synth called Mitosynth which uses a kind of vector based synthesis (but on steroids...up to 32 sound sources).
It´s very simple in general but i failed to recreate this in all other synths i have including Falcon, Omnisphere etc.
It´s possible to get similar results but you need a thousand times more and a bunch of modulators instead of just 1-2.

Great post. I have similar interest and questions about Avenger.
Seriously interested the purchasing it.

So Avenger has a sample stacker as in Phalanx?
That would be great!

Mitosynth
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mitosyn ... 41340?mt=8

It seems you can stack 4 samples via each OSC in Avenger....means you could use also 32 sound sources when using all 8 OSC´s. That´s great but i don´t think there is a simple way to crossfade these all then without having to use a ton of modulators or clever timed envelopes.
That would be awesome.
I give up to get Mitosynth ever for desktop, so i was hoping something could replace it. But even Alchemy or the wavestation can´t...

[Kalamata Kid]

I forgot to ask...is Avenger multi-touch ready?
Means will it focus on one parameter or will it let me change several parameters at once on a multi-touch device. Devices like the surface studio could be interesting here then.

Both of us had asked this before.

Is Avenger multi-touch ready?

Is it mutli-touch friendly?

[Cinebient]

I forgot to ask...is Avenger multi-touch ready?
Means will it focus on one parameter or will it let me change several parameters at once on a multi-touch device. Devices like the surface studio could be interesting here then.

Both of us had asked this before.

Is Avenger multi-touch ready?

Is it mutli-touch friendly?

But no one answered it yet....or?
I still a bit undecided if i go for the next iPad Pro (if it offers 3D touch) or a windows 10 device. And in this case multi-touch support would be a big plus for me on top.
And of course XY pads in a future update.....hehe, i know it´s even not released.
But however, i think Avenger could be my new favourite very soon.

[msvs]

no Avenger supports no Multi Touch afaik
maybe in a future update

[Cinebient]

no Avenger supports no Multi Touch afaik
maybe in a future update

Thank´s!

[Kalamata Kid]

no Avenger supports no Multi Touch afaik
maybe in a future update

If done in JUCE it is automatically multi-touch.

Perhaps not multi-touch friendly but I would think noways
that Multi-touch would be part of any plugin.

[Kalamata Kid]

I forgot to ask...is Avenger multi-touch ready?
Means will it focus on one parameter or will it let me change several parameters at once on a multi-touch device. Devices like the surface studio could be interesting here then.

Both of us had asked this before.

Is Avenger multi-touch ready?

Is it mutli-touch friendly?

But no one answered it yet....or?
I still a bit undecided if i go for the next iPad Pro (if it offers 3D touch) or a windows 10 device. And in this case multi-touch support would be a big plus for me on top.
And of course XY pads in a future update.....hehe, i know it´s even not released.
But however, i think Avenger could be my new favourite very soon.

See my studio with Multi-touch screen
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7760&p=6603264&hili ... o#p6603264

I hope that the soon to be released Hollyhock 3 will be even more MT freindly.
They have many MT addons. Check them out:
http://www.sensomusic.org/

[Cinebient]

no Avenger supports no Multi Touch afaik
maybe in a future update

If done in JUCE it is automatically multi-touch.

Perhaps not multi-touch friendly but I would think noways
that Multi-touch would be part of any plugin.

Yes, i saw that some developers even were surprised that it was multi-touch automatic with JUCE.
Is Avenger created with JUCE?

[deastman]

Does Avenger have MPE support? I'd love to use it with my Seaboard. I haven't been following this topic as closely as I should have, so my apologies if this was already answered.

[Cinebient]

Does Avenger have MPE support? I'd love to use it with my Seaboard. I haven't been following this topic as closely as I should have, so my apologies if this was already answered.

No.

[starflakeprj]

Avenger has pretty advanced modulation possibilities, I'm sure it can be used (like most other synths) for ambient music. It's just a matter of how skilled you are

I will see. I miss a simple way to do a kind of vector based synthesis or wave sequencing.
But i could imagine that this could be done via the sample stacker.
I just wish there would be a single envelope to crossfade between the samples.
Maybe there is? Didn´t find info about it in the manual or video.
I know there is a seperat volume control for each stacked sample but then i need a modulator for each one.
My go-to for very experimental, evolving and moving pads is still an iOS synth called Mitosynth which uses a kind of vector based synthesis (but on steroids...up to 32 sound sources).
It´s very simple in general but i failed to recreate this in all other synths i have including Falcon, Omnisphere etc.
It´s possible to get similar results but you need a thousand times more and a bunch of modulators instead of just 1-2.

I understand. Well, wave morphing (serial) is certainly supported I guess? I haven't watched all the Avenger videos, because already the first one sold it to me, but I'm a guy that just want everything that is new and unique, which Avenger is. The perfect customer

Regarding vector based synthesis, I don't think Avenger can do that, would be cool though. But I have only found three synths (software) that has vector synthesis. Korg Wavestation (obviously), Prophet V (Arturia), a it has both the Prophet 5 and the Prophet VS, and also (which I didn't know until last week), SynthMaster. Didn't know about Mitosynth, but I don't have an Apple device, so it's not for me. Looks cool though.

Anyway, for evolving and moving pads I think Avenger will do a great job, even though it lacks the vector synthesis type. And there are many other synths out there that (imo) are great on evolving/moving pads. For instance, Wiggle, ArcSyn, Spectral, Diversion, Padshop, even Blue-II or Blade. But we might have slightly different preferences of course.

You have already mentioned Falcon and Omnisphere (would have purchased the latter if it weren't so expensive, I have a some kind of limit after all ). I didn't mention any of the current wavetable synths, but many of them are pretty good on the evolving and moving thing as well I think.

But well, as you're saying, Many of the synths capable of these type of ambient textures might need some extra time to do the job.

[layzer]

My only concern is how CPU intensive its going to be.

But if price is of no importance to you, surely you must have a top of the line computer

damn.. I have a top of the line computer. seriously. it's a skylake 6700k i7 with fast ddr4 memory. Win10. and Serum still annoys the crap out of me in that regard!

these all in one synths will always suck in CPU efficiency when compared to simple synths with good raw oscillators and good filters like charlatan 2.0, Dexed, PG8X and Synth1 used with a good effects on the send busses.

and you will get people saying crap like "but those simple synths dont sound as good"
of course they dont...by themselves. shut off all effects on the all in one synths and hear
how great they sound. i still think the modular multiple synths sharing effects on the send bus
makes more sense.

[starflakeprj]

My only concern is how CPU intensive its going to be.

But if price is of no importance to you, surely you must have a top of the line computer

damn.. I have a top of the line computer. seriously. it's a skylake 6700k i7 with fast ddr4 memory. Win10. and Serum still annoys the crap out of me in that regard!

these all in one synths will always suck in CPU efficiency when compared to simple synths with good raw oscillators and good filters like charlatan 2.0, Dexed, PG8X and Synth1 used with a good effects on the send busses.

and you will get people saying crap like "but those simple synths dont sound as good"
of course they dont...by themselves. shut off all effects on the all in one synths and hear
how great they sound. i still think the modular multiple synths sharing effects on the send bus
makes more sense.

You are definitely making sense here, free synths are underestimated, and I've heard many people saying that they are crap, and not on par with commercial ones. Most of them aren't, but not necessarily because they sound any worse, but most probably because they often lack good modulation capabilities or built-in effects.

As always, when it comes to CPU efficiency I blame the developers. I'm not a programmer, but is it really that hard to add support for multi-core? I have only seen multi-core support in a few plugins from u-he and LuSH-101 from D16. It really makes difference. I'm so annoyed when my DAW is whining about 100 % of the CPU is used, when I actually only use 25% or so.

[Ohlson_M]

I am super excited about this synth. I don´t think I can resist buying it. It sounds like it will be in the same quality group as u-he Diva, Serum and Falcon. The interface, the sound - it just feels right in ever way.

I really hope this VST is so good and so versatile that I don´t even need Serum and Falcon.

[loachm]

Regarding vector based synthesis, I don't think Avenger can do that, would be cool though. But I have only found three synths (software) that has vector synthesis. Korg Wavestation (obviously), Prophet V (Arturia), a it has both the Prophet 5 and the Prophet VS, and also (which I didn't know until last week), SynthMaster.

...I'm not that familiar with vector synthesis, but if it's just a crossfading between four sound sources via an xy control (which I think it is), then Alchemy should do that, too, if I'm not mistaken. Kontakt with some scripting as well and I think even in Absynth with the oscillators in double mode and its xy macros should be able to provide this in a way. And with Avenger with its four FX busses this might be possible as well (if not in the software itself, it might be possible with a midi controller with an xy control).

I am super excited about this synth. I don´t think I can resist buying it. It sounds like it will be in the same quality group as u-he Diva, Serum and Falcon. The interface, the sound - it just feels right in ever way.

I really hope this VST is so good and so versatile that I don´t even need Serum and Falcon.

...I feel the same, though Serum might have a slight advantage, as due to its additive resynthesis you can rearrange wavetables and you create them from multiple sound sources, which Avenger can't do it on its own at the moment (don't know if Falcon can do that). Though. after experimenting a bit with that, I wonder, if one in fact might need that - I think, for Avenger it's definitely negligible atm).