A sad new low for lack of teamwork

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besides the original post and perhaps one other can someone explain to me why this should remain in instruments?

Also, you know what I'm gonna say about the Trump talk okay?

[brainzistor]

I consider not learning from hundreds, thousands of years of human existence a step backwards TBH. Why do we feel like we need to reinvent the wheel the whole time these days, without learning from the past? In an ideal world, a lot of things WOULD work. But, unfortunately, this world is not ideal. And, especially, people are not the same. What would work for you and me doesn't have to work for everyone. And that's the important point, and a point many Linuxer's fail to see, i'm afraid to say. Hence it will stay niche, in foreseeable future. TBH, i don't see how such a concept would work in any case, anyway. To give and take, everyone must be the "same". But noone is.

Actually, it's people like you who don't understand anything. Absolute ZERO.
You represent Linux as communism/socialism, while in fact Linux is democracy and all other commercial operating systems are dictatorships forcing people to be all the same.
To understand how completely clueless you are I suggest you to meet or talk with some top notch programmers, people who are capable of dismantling Linux distro and customizing it to perform certain tasks which is IMPOSSIBLE with closed source operating systems.

That's why you have Linux being used as a desktop OS, server OS and in scientific projects.
You have CIA using Security Enhanced Linux, you have CERN using Scientific Linux, you have Rocks Cluster Distribution for high-performance computing clusters, Linux distributions have been customized and used in an endless list of scientific projects, on Universities, commercial companies, military, etc.

Practically, in the most high-end environments and the most important scientific projects you have Linux working and performing tasks 24/7.
If the nuclear war was started today and the entire civilization wiped out, you would have PC's running Linux somewhere below the ground.

I was working as a graphic and web designer for 6 years in a company which had top notch programmers (actually, more than that - complete freaks) and I was with them in the office every day. Over 90% of the time I was creating UI's and front-ends, designing control panels for software and systems they were programming for government(s) and commercial companies. I'm talking about people who were dismantling Linux distros, customizing them to perform certain tasks, people who were programming entire system for my country's electric power system, people who were creating custom databases, etc...just point your finger what you want - they were able to deliver it.
What's you prank? To scare someone while standing behind the door?
Their prank is to clone SIM card with all zeros and to make 2 calls to prank someone and then destroy it or else they may end up in jail...yay, Saturday night fun...

Then we have this:

That's not the reason linux sucks, even though it's also related to basic economics. Linux and FOSS will be inferior to commercial products as long as educated, skilled and talented programmers and producers have to pay for living. It's really simple as that, teams of real people just can't work on free software like they can work on commercial software.

OMFG.
The most skilled programmers and at the same time most paid literally dwell in Linux 24/7 and start their working day in terminal on Linux.
They work for governments, secret services, military, commercial companies, Universities, research labs, the most high-end scientific projects, for space agencies, security companies and agencies and what not.

Seriously, STOP embarrassing yourselves.
Your perception of Linux is unbelievably shallow.
Saying that skilled programmers are not using Linux is literally: WTF

[Teksonik]

Also, you know what I'm gonna say about the Trump talk okay?

You must have voted for him..........

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[chk071]

Saying that skilled programmers are not using Linux is literally: WTF

Then all you gotta tell is why Linux hasn't taken over the home PC market yet, and why there is such an incredible lack of professional software available for Linux, or as open source. But, hey, don't really wanna burst your bubble you know. If you want to keep on using Gimp, Libre Office, and all the other stuff pretending to be anywhere near software made by professionals in full time employment, noone will stop you doing so.

[chk071]

Actually, it's people like you who don't understand anything. Absolute ZERO.
You represent Linux as communism/socialism, while in fact Linux is democracy and all other commercial operating systems are dictatorships forcing people to be all the same.

Actually, no. Last time i checked i was able to choose which OS i want to use, and which software i want to use. The thing you're talking about is the subjective view of religiously formed people, like you. It's pointless to even go on discussing this anyway, because your religious fundamentalism will make it impossible to discuss this in an objective manner, the hostility against people who are disagreeing with your POV is pretty obvious. And typical for Linux people. Actually, when i think about it, typically left-wing authoritative crap.

[george]

I'm a bit late here but thanks for the promo!

Edit: actually the thread derailed long time ago

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Actually, it's people like you who don't understand anything. Absolute ZERO.
You represent Linux as communism/socialism, while in fact Linux is democracy and all other commercial operating systems are dictatorships forcing people to be all the same.

Actually, no. Last time i checked i was able to choose which OS i want to use, and which software i want to use. The thing you're talking about is the subjective view of religiously formed people, like you. It's pointless to even go on discussing this anyway, because your religious fundamentalism will make it impossible to discuss this in an objective manner, the hostility against people who are disagreeing with your POV is pretty obvious. And typical for Linux people. Actually, when i think about it, typically left-wing authoritative crap.

save it for hpc

[.jon]

OMFG.
The most skilled programmers and at the same time most paid literally dwell in Linux 24/7 and start their working day in terminal on Linux.
They work for governments, secret services, military, commercial companies, Universities, research labs, the most high-end scientific projects, for space agencies, security companies and agencies and what not.

Seriously, STOP embarrassing yourselves.
Your perception of Linux is unbelievably shallow.
Saying that skilled programmers are not using Linux is literally: WTF

Your cognitive skills are literally 0 and have no idea what we were even talking about.

[glokraw]

If that's true, I'm glad I got November's Linux Magazine Issue #192,
since it has a searchable dvd, with all the previous 191 issues as PDF's,
and I'm going to need all those tutorials to figure out
what a desktop really is...maybe figure out that
wheely looking thing on top of the mouse...

Gee, 192 issues, and we still haven't reached 'the year'

Desktop in this context refers to an OS people can use for all their personal and professional computing needs. Linux, lacking all the end user software, is still as far from this goal as it was 20 years ago when the meme was born.

I see you're still diving headfirst off the potato truck
There are clinics for those who do this with frequency

1. Most people needing a computer at work,
have separate personal and professional computers,
2. Many people have no professional 'work computer' at all.

Most people use home computers for gossip, email, news, hoovering and playing
entertainment content, and support for hobbies. Most of these don't require
firebreathing quadcore i7 boxes with default corporate OS added to the
price tag. The choices linux users have for such things are numerous,
frequently updated, and many are cross platform.

Linux devs have worked hard, and done well, to bring
and keep useful performance to older computers, that apple and msoft
and chip-making shadow partners fervently try to relegate
to the recycle bin and landfill.
Ironically, it is influential business leaders who historically
demand support beyond the beancounters EOL date, that fends off
for a season, the massive upgrade costs that would gleefully be forced
on the masses, if apple and msoft had their way.

Corporate EOL tyranny is akin to financial fascism.
When XP -finally- became stable, support was terminated
Win 7 is next, that will be a real popular change here...

Now that handhelds and portables have huge market share,
the profits are in selling users profile and data, with all the
inherant security issues onboard. Linux devs at least try
to implement and maintain adequate security, while msoft,
apple, and the huge malware industry's sloppy coding institutes,
perpetuates, sells, and benefits, from the lack of it.
Group hug everybody!

[pekbro]

Actually, linux software far outweighs windows or mac in the scientific
or commercial sectors. Mainstream is the only Bastian for the other two.

When I used to work on tsunami simulations for NOAA (apprenticing at the MHPCC)
that kind of thing literally wasn't then or now, even possible in windows or mac environment.
They simply aren't able to leverage enough processing power to do it.

In the motion picture industry (in which I occasionally have the privilege
of working as well) the chief dev platform is mostly linux nowdays. Prman, Maya, Houdini,
Pixar's in house animation platform all largely developed under linux. Thats just to name a few.

Just because you guys aren't seeing it doesn't mean anything really, as you have
no idea how narrow your field of view actually is. From many technical standpoints,
linux is superior and far more prevalent, like it or not.

btw: I don't use linux either, due to a lack of software that I like to use.

[Krezie]

Yep...this thread is derailing somewhat...

My 2 cents;
I'm not a Linux "fanboy", but there's certainly more Linux around than meets the eye. As a desktop OS it's indeed a small player, but if you look at the industrial world, internet providers, etc. there are a lot of systems running Linux. Lots of websites run on a system which is powered by Linux.
And if you look some further.... Android is essentially based on a Linux kernel as well.
So, Linux sure is a serious OS. You can't judge that if you only look at the world of "personal desktop PC's".

As a desktop OS, I'd rather use Windows or macOS, but to say that Linux is an inferior OS.....ehm....no!

[chk071]

Windows or MacOS also make use of a lot of open source code. That's a bit beside the point IMO. Of course, there are great use cases for open source, what would the web be without open source? It's just that Linux IMO completely fails as a desktop, home PC OS, because its own philosophy breaks its neck, due to the points i made earlier. And, especially for audio applications, which is a niche market, you see the issue, in an exaggerated form. Lots of 0.1 beta version software, lots of wrapping, because VST is THE industry standard, and manufacturers which don't provide Linux native versions, because they're small companies, which already have a hard time serving the 99,9% of their clientel which is on Windows or MacOS. If Linux wants to have a chance, for home use, for audio application, it HAS to open itself to proprietary formats. Generally towards the rules of business. But it won't, hence it won't play a role in that business. It's like an island OS, where people can grow their own plants, live in peace and happiness together, noone harms noone, and all hold hand, and work together, while the real world exists somewhere else, and has other rules of existance.

The funny thing is that the most popular distros all have bigger companies, or foundations to back them up. or at least some kind of commercial scheme to employ the developers. Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Fedora, Linux Mint... you name them.

[Teksonik]

Certainly Linux has penetration in other fields but what's pertinent here is what percentage of people are using it for Music Production and is that number large enough to make it financially viable for developers to port their work to Linux ? I don't have the numbers at hand but one has the inclination to say no although U-He and DiscoDSP have done so to some extent so I guess time will tell.

[waltercruz]

Sad to see what happened OP.

I work with web development and I really like to work on a Unix environment (I use Linux since 1998, and I'm really productive with a Unix like environment). But, as I need Photoshop and my Audio plugins, I use Mac these days. But the day that I have my music environment on Linux running 100%, it will be an amazing day to me. Doesn't seem too hard these days, as most of the developers use a cross-plataform environment, like Juce. Someday it will happen.