A sad new low for lack of teamwork

[Zexila]

I love Linux for simple tasks such a e-mail and internet but I wouldn't want to use it as a music production platform.

Same here.

I'm using Linux Mint 18 Cinnamon and I really think it's "there" for average Joe to enjoy in it, great desktop OS.

[glokraw]

Then all you gotta tell is why Linux hasn't taken over the home PC market yet,

That has never even been the goal of linux kernel devs as a whole.
The goals of software devs are myriad. Canonicalbuntu is the only operation
I know of that is looking at the computer desktop as a market.
The commercial OS duopoly isn't going anywhere, and linux developement
is expanding nicely in many areas.

I'm all for commercial profits, as they drive innovation and benefit societies.
Clean water, paved streets, warm homes in cold climates,
functioning Hospitals, and increasing life expectancy
are just a few profit-generated benefits here in the U.S.
The linux kernel developement is well funded by profits
from huge corporations. The local 'distros' many enjoy,
are the fruit made possible by successful ventures and investments
at a much higher level

Also, there exist significant profits that are not counted in $cash$
Many coders just love to code, and doing what you love to do is priceless.
That so many will share their efforts, as excellent freeware,
helps keep this website alive, and enables artists in
2nd/3rd world cultures to have creative software tools,
when a computer is available.

And not all great software is coded by 'teams', there
are individuals, whether gifted, determined, or both,
who produce great code. In the commercial markets,
teams often gather around such individuals, much as
apps gravitate around great shared libraries.

Most people are introduced to mac and win systems
in school and the workplace, where you must use
what they give ya. Linux systems exist
as alternatives in free choice environments.

Valuing choice is why I shared my experience of having
high quality choices at sale pricing posted, being deleted without cause.
I'm hoping 2017 will see friendlier linux support, more great music,
produced in a wider range of platforms, and more inclusive of artists
lacking the finacial power to buy gear due to their national circumstance.
Linux can help them obtain great tools among many choices,
and without great cost.

If someone is flat broke, or unhappy with future prospects,
go ahead and try an AVlinux bootable dvd. You'll find
a sample-based drum machine, an ampsim suite, synthesizers,
effects, daws and specialized apps. Even the Mixbus demo.
Pre configured, and about as plug & play as you'll get.
Maybe you'll never want or need such things, but will likely
meet someone who would. Knowing the basics of what is available,
might help someone with an unused gift, or strong determination,
to become a happy artist and beyond.
Cheers

[glokraw]

Interesting that Q1 sales of Chromebooks were greater than
sales of Macs, a first, a decent foothold, and better Chromebooks
are on the way. Not to mention the ubiquity of Android, the plethora
of hardware running embedded linux in one form or another,
and the pi/micro homebrew phenomena. Good times.
Not the doom and gloom purported by some.

Let me know when your linux sneaks into your network,
to replace your existing setup...

[chk071]

Interesting that Q1 sales of Chromebooks were greater than
sales of Macs, a first, a decent foothold, and better Chromebooks
are on the way.

I'm interested to see how Google Andromeda will develop. Obviously, they're already planning for times when mobile devices, and desktop, or laptop devices run the same OS, like MS adjusted Windows 8 and 10 for work with tablet PC's. Definitely a good idea, and i'm wondering when Apple will follow with their merge of MacOS and iOS.

[Teksonik]

Interesting that Q1 sales of Chromebooks were greater than
sales of Macs,

Number of Units or total sales in Dollars ? Obviously Macs are much more expensive so one would expect more Chromebooks to be sold........

Edit: Looks like number of units. Not surprising given the cost differential:

"Google's low-cost Chromebooks outsold Apple's range of Macs for the first time in the US recently. While IDC doesn't typically break out Windows vs. Chromebook sales, IDC analyst Linn Huang confirmed the milestone to The Verge. "Chrome OS overtook Mac OS in the US in terms of shipments for the first time in 1Q16," says Huang. "Chromebooks are still largely a US K-12 story."

IDC estimates Apple's US Mac shipments to be around 1.76 million in the latest quarter, meaning Dell, HP, and Lenovo sold nearly 2 million Chromebooks in Q1 combined. Chromebooks have been extremely popular in US schools, and it's clear from IDC's comments the demand is driving US shipments. Outside of the US, it's still unclear exactly how well Google's low-cost laptops are doing. Most data from market research firms like IDC and Gartner focuses solely on Google's wins in the US".

http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711 ... dc-figures

http://gizmodo.com/why-i-bought-a-chrom ... 1778403065

[brainzistor]

Then all you gotta tell is why Linux hasn't taken over the home PC market yet, and why there is such an incredible lack of professional software available for Linux, or as open source. But, hey, don't really wanna burst your bubble you know. If you want to keep on using Gimp, Libre Office, and all the other stuff pretending to be anywhere near software made by professionals in full time employment, noone will stop you doing so.

To illustrate how ridiculous and hilarious you are I'll just say that in the office I was working on Mac, at home on Windows and had another computer running Linux as a testing environment for certain projects when I was allowed to work at home.
Next time instead of embarrassing yourself and looking stupid, pay attention what people actually write or talk about.

Actually, no. Last time i checked i was able to choose which OS i want to use, and which software i want to use. The thing you're talking about is the subjective view of religiously formed people, like you. It's pointless to even go on discussing this anyway, because your religious fundamentalism will make it impossible to discuss this in an objective manner, the hostility against people who are disagreeing with your POV is pretty obvious. And typical for Linux people. Actually, when i think about it, typically left-wing authoritative crap.

Good job at ASSuming, stereotyping and labeling.
You just made absolute clown out of yourself.
"Religious fundamentalist", "left-wing authoritative crap". Try harder

The funny thing is that the most popular distros all have bigger companies, or foundations to back them up. or at least some kind of commercial scheme to employ the developers. Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Fedora, Linux Mint... you name them.

Because you are so god damn clueless not realizing how much Linux is used outside of desktop environment and because you are a typical primitive desktop user who simply CAN'T comprehend that projects in which Linux is used are worth millions and billions of dollars and you think that those companies need some kind of a "commercial scheme".
You simply CAN'T comprehend that computer is NOT just desktop environment.
Only server market is worth billions of dollars and Linux shines at it.
Oh, look, a "commercial scheme to employ developers", ROFLMAO
Jesus Christ, you are so ridiculous and clueless.....

Your cognitive skills are literally 0 and have no idea what we were even talking about.

When it comes from you then it's a compliment and that's why it's so hilarious.

[Hink]

lock, hpc or ET...those are becoming the choices

[ghettosynth]

Actually, linux software far outweighs windows or mac in the scientific
or commercial sectors. Mainstream is the only Bastian for the other two.

When I used to work on tsunami simulations for NOAA (apprenticing at the MHPCC)
that kind of thing literally wasn't then or now, even possible in windows or mac environment.
They simply aren't able to leverage enough processing power to do it.

In the motion picture industry (in which I occasionally have the privilege
of working as well) the chief dev platform is mostly linux nowdays. Prman, Maya, Houdini,
Pixar's in house animation platform all largely developed under linux. Thats just to name a few.

Just because you guys aren't seeing it doesn't mean anything really, as you have
no idea how narrow your field of view actually is. From many technical standpoints,
linux is superior and far more prevalent, like it or not.

btw: I don't use linux either, due to a lack of software that I like to use.

Good post. If I didn't do music, my main desktop PC would be linux. My main work machine for the last 10 years has been linux. There is nothing about linux that doesn't work well as a desktop and programmer's workstation unless you are developing for windows/mac/mobile. For back end development and research, Linux is typically a dev's first choice.

For the work that I have been doing, Linux isn't just a choice, it's the BETTER choice. It is unbelievably frustrating to try to leverage the same resources on Windows, and often even on OS/X, but much less so than on Windows.

But it's shit for music and I'm not afraid of technology.

[chk071]

To illustrate how ridiculous and hilarious you are [...]

Do you actually expect a response to that? Sorry, too mature for this childish stuff. Get over the "insults" on your operating sytem, erm, i mean, religion, and then we can go on discussing. Otherwise, not.

[incubus]

Happens everywhere from what I see, but yeah, it sucks.

99.99999999999% of the time it's someone who has an axe to grind with you personally, not the content.

[Teksonik]

Mac vs Windows, Linux vs The World, Jesus vs Muhammad......things guaranteed to start a Jihad.

[glokraw]

Interesting that Q1 sales of Chromebooks were greater than sales of Macs,

Number of Units or total sales in Dollars ? Obviously Macs are much more expensive so one would expect more Chromebooks to be sold........

Edit: Looks like number of units. Not surprising given the cost differential:

A typical theme here when comparing mac and win is that macs are overpriced
just to obtain the fruit sticker, while using the same chips and solder
as cheap windows boxes, and without superior reliability.

The knock against linux put forth here by some, is that it is unsuitable for
even the most basic uses. So I blend such thoughts in my delusions

There is a growing number of people who are enjoying music production
in linux setups, many people think mac hardware is overpriced, and poorly
supported for longevity, (unless you place extremely high value
on the software bundle) There is a healthy climate for linux both at
the low end, and the very highest ends. From DIY boards
to industrial safety, to national security.

Somewhere in the middle, there's a lot of music being produced
across platorm, by a lot of musicians. The more that software reaches
into both the lowest and highest ends of the market, the better off
the middle will be.

Mac and win corporates won't scale back towards the low end
(all those deplorable old P4's) and are being dominated
up at the highest levels. Here in the middle,
musicians are finding that Pro-Tools, Cubase, Sonar, and Live,
are not requirements for productivity. Bitwig, Renoise, Reaper,
Ardour/Mixbus, Qtractor, Tracktion, Radium, Muse, Rosegarden, and others,
are all being happily used, along with a great range of plugin
instruments, effects, and support apps.

A few vocal people in the linux audio community would do well
to recognize the future is being ported, the days of the big fish
in the small pond are over, and it's actually fun to use great apps
like Zebra, Bliss and PianoteQ in a personalized and
secure environment, along with traditional open source software.

Think I'll go try out my new linux Hive now, (yeah, I bought it for
a single preset And I admit it. Not that the other thousands
are chopped liver :wink" )
Sounds great with the new Zyn-Fusionized zynaddsufx.

Interesting as always, to see how strongly people feel about
their personal computing. Here's to 2017...'clink'
Cheers

[Teksonik]

Like I said I have two systems running Ubuntu and love it for internet and e-mail but I'm not "sudo apt-get" savvy enough to go much beyond the basics.

Now that I think of it wasn't it you who helped me get my feet wet with Linux ?

[.jon]

I see you're still diving headfirst off the potato truck
There are clinics for those who do this with frequency

I understand you've suffered through life with less capacity than everyone else, but please don't take your butthurt out on others, it's not our fault and there's nothing we can do to help you. Work with what you have and stick to simple things.

Most people use home computers for gossip, email, news, hoovering and playing
entertainment content, and support for hobbies. Most of these don't require
firebreathing quadcore i7 boxes with default corporate OS added to the
price tag. The choices linux users have for such things are numerous,
frequently updated, and many are cross platform.

Those people don't need a computer at all, they use tablets and smartphones. Makes sense, much nicer to check mail and news from the recliner or in breakfast table on the tablet. PC sales are still on a global decline due to this. The needs of those who buy computers are more demanding. They process photos, edit videos (this is the grower), work in 3D, develop software, play games or compose and record music. And the resource demands of these have absolutely nothing to do with the OS, it's the programs that want more and more and more and more juice, because they do more. It's not some crazy greed of a corporation, it's bigger photos, higher resolution video, immersive realistic environments, more accurate emulations of electronic circuits etc.

We want power, MS and Apple don't force it on us.

Oh and hey, you were actually promoting Diva, how does that run on older machines?

Linux devs have worked hard, and done well, to bring
and keep useful performance to older computers, that apple and msoft
and chip-making shadow partners fervently try to relegate
to the recycle bin and landfill.
Ironically, it is influential business leaders who historically
demand support beyond the beancounters EOL date, that fends off
for a season, the massive upgrade costs that would gleefully be forced
on the masses, if apple and msoft had their way.

W10 was a free update and has the exact same system requirements than the previous version. XP was supported for 12 years, which 4 times longer than typical linux LTS distros, and 2 years longer than the distro with the longest support cycle (RHEL/CentOS). But who cares about facts, right? MS and Apple are evil 666!!.

I paid 79e for my W7 license 5 years ago, W10 update was free. This is less than any U-he plugin you promote. And it's is peanuts for an operation system with up to date support for all my hardware, can run all my software and has ran without a single hiccup for as long as it has been installed. Absolutely rock solid, flawless experience, I give both W7 and W10 full five stars.

My other OS SSD hosting xubuntu has been less lucky, there's always little wonky after updates, from blackscreens to smaller annoyances. Nothing that couldn't be fixed, but still a reason to be worried at every update.

And finally, a struggling musician would be way better off running a Windows box for audio. You'd have actual freedom of choices, and most of them better. And OS choice for computer music was the topic, right?

[.jon]

When it comes from you then it's a compliment and that's why it's so hilarious.

You are hilarious, but not for the reasons you'd like.