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whyterabbyt wrote:Linux certainly does have flaws, and it has strengths and weaknesses, whereby one size doesnt fit all. But that's true of all technology.
Yes, this is a very important point. As a programmer I also don't believe that there is a best programming language or framework, there is no one-size-fits-all here (okay, with the exception of Emacs ;-) ), and this is also the case for OSs.

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whyterabbyt wrote:
Burillo wrote:i don't know why many free software advocates tend to be so defensive whenever someone starts bringing up flaws in free software.
Its probably because so many critics of free software tend to be so agressive whenever someone brings up anything to do with it.

Especially since what is typically criticised are generally not actual flaws but the differences in approach or philosophy. That's when the criticisms arent just out and out fallacious, of course (cf 'if its so good why hasnt it taken over the planet', 'why isnt there professional software' and other such disingenuous tripe).
Oh, i don't only criticize the philosophy, or the approach. I also criticize that much of the available software isn't really stable, that the OS itself, at least the one for personal, home use, isn't as stable as comparable commercial OS's, and i also criticize that open source projects often die a sudden death, after years of developing up to a 0.2 beta version, simply because they're written by people in their spare time, because there is no full time employment happening. There are so many construction sites i have witnessed when i used Linux, but all i ever heard from people in the community was that it's so great that it kills any commercial OS. Sorry, just not my experience. And whoever feels insulted by that, i am sorry too. Just stating my experience and opinion. Calling someone stupid because he uses a specific OS, or feeling insulted by stated opinions, is the other side's attitude. And exactly the kind of attitude i have witnessed so often in the "community".

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Klinke wrote: Ah, now I understand why I run my XUbuntu installation for years without problems, but my WIn10 Installation
- deleted a whole SSD while upgrading (To be more exact: Destroyed the partition table)
- does not detect some of my USB ports since the last anniversary update
- does not install the correct driver for the XBox controllers since the last anniversary update (and this is hardware from Microsoft itself)
- has a lot of trouble with WLAN, which I don't have under Linux

But I must admit, switching to Linux for making music (or as an owner of an Oculus Rift also gaming) isn't an option for me. But if Microsoft continues to force me into anniversary updates that make so many troubles, I will maybe rethink this too.
My experience is completely opposite, I've ran both xubuntu and Windows on this machine since I built it, both on their own SSDs. W7 and now W10 have performed flawlessly, never a single little glitch or any kind of trouble with updates, which get installed at shutdown. Xubuntu has exhibited smaller and bigger issues on I'd say roughly half of the updates. Two of them were blackscreens requiring a lot of work to get back to business. 16.04 hangs on restart. It has issues reading the system clock, misbehaves on sleep loses LAN regularly and most of the programs can't wake up my archive drives from standby. It just feels less and less worth to keep it even running anymore, and just use a cloud box instead.

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.jon wrote:which get installed at shutdown.
And sometimes by a forced shutdown, once while I had a rehearsal, right in the middle of a song. The last rehearsal Windows decided that it must first install a update before it can start, it took just about 15 minutes. I learned from this that it's really important to disconnect Windows the days before you have a gig, or you can never know what the f**k Microsoft is doing again with your computer.

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.jon wrote:It has issues reading the system clock
it's probably the other way around, Windows is notorious for resetting system clock and not being a good citizen and not using UTC.
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Klinke wrote:
.jon wrote:which get installed at shutdown.
And sometimes by a forced shutdown, once while I had a rehearsal, right in the middle of a song. The last rehearsal Windows decided that it must first install a update before it can start, it took just about 15 minutes. I learned from this that it's really important to disconnect Windows the days before you have a gig, or you can never know what the f**k Microsoft is doing again with your computer.
I think you can define working hours when Windows won't intrude. I really hope it works, because I have (foolishly?) installed Win10 on a laptop I intend to use for an exam.

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skipscada wrote:
Klinke wrote:
.jon wrote:which get installed at shutdown.
And sometimes by a forced shutdown, once while I had a rehearsal, right in the middle of a song. The last rehearsal Windows decided that it must first install a update before it can start, it took just about 15 minutes. I learned from this that it's really important to disconnect Windows the days before you have a gig, or you can never know what the f**k Microsoft is doing again with your computer.
I think you can define working hours when Windows won't intrude. I really hope it works, because I have (foolishly?) installed Win10 on a laptop I intend to use for an exam.
You can also completely shut down the update process, if that's an issue for you.

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skipscada wrote:I think you can define working hours when Windows won't intrude. I really hope it works, because I have (foolishly?) installed Win10 on a laptop I intend to use for an exam.
Yes, you are right, I found this:
http://www.windowscentral.com/how-confi ... ng-updates

So beside all the trouble the anniversary update brought also something useful. Thanks a lot for your hint.

[Edit:] Setting the Wireless Network setting for the access point at home to metered seems also be a possible (maybe even better) solution, as then you get only notifications about updates (which is the behavior I prefer). See:
http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/3162 ... ml#option1

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so a little friction while I snoozed...I'm moving this to Everything Else because it really belongs there...let's continue to keep it civil okay?
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.jon wrote:
chk071 wrote:
khanyz wrote: .. It's really simple as that, teams of real people just can't work on free software like they can work on commercial software.

Care to elaborate on that claim??
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Already elaborated, in the same chapter you quoted. It's not a claim, it's a fact btw.

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What a car crash of a thread...
chk071 wrote: i also criticize that open source projects often die a sudden death, after years of developing up to a 0.2 beta version, simply because they're written by people in their spare time, because there is no full time employment happening.
Not sure of your argument there, are you saying closed source projects/products are 'safer' then as they're worked on by employed people? Tell that to Logic or Alchemy users on Windows. Maybe with open source there's the possibility someone else could conceivably pick it up. Nothings certain or guaranteed, whatever OS you use.

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Klinke wrote:I learned from this that it's really important to disconnect Windows the days before you have a gig, or you can never know what the f**k Microsoft is doing again with your computer.
It is a bit scary really,

I lost 3GB of a pay as you go modem, which I use when I am out of bounds of wifi. Suddenly I got info that my months quota was used up. I didn't understand anything, as I hadn't used any bandwidth at all.

It was Windows 10 that had started to download one of their many big Win 10 updates.

Burned all my bandwidth, and it didn't even finish download and install the update before my quota had been used up :x

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travisdk wrote:
.jon wrote:
chk071 wrote:
khanyz wrote: .. It's really simple as that, teams of real people just can't work on free software like they can work on commercial software.

Care to elaborate on that claim??
I didn't write that. Please correct the quote.
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.jon wrote:Already elaborated, in the same chapter you quoted. It's not a claim, it's a fact btw.
If this is a fact, you pretty sure can give us a link to some research that shows that this is really the case and not just your opinion.

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