A sad new low for lack of teamwork

[chk071]

Tell me, does Ubuntu, or Linux Mint develop as quickly as Windows 10?

1.: I find it really difficult to see how quickly a OS is developed, as a OS is far more then it's interface that you are seeing

Ok, then let's rephrase the question. Do you think a project with 20, 30 employees can develop as quickly as a project with thousands of employees?

20, 30 software developer for linux? You are kidding, or?

I don't think Canonical has more than that in full time employment for Ubuntu. If they do, please, enlighten me.

They do have over 500 employees, but Ubuntu is not the main business for them. Their main business are server and cloud applications.

[pekbro]

Actually, large scale projects should involve greater logistics
and therefore require more management. It's probably safe to say that actual development
time is often increased proportionately to the number of active developers.

The more engineers involved, the longer it takes to validate and integrate
their individual contributions. Its true that more teams can do more work
at the same time, but its not always true that this will speed up development
on a project.

[chk071]

It's probably safe to say that actual development
time is often increased proportionately to the number of active developers.

Hear hear.

[ghettosynth]

Overall I must say it's annoying how you avoid to answer questions.

And i must say that it is very annoying (once again) how people dismiss facts,

You haven't presented any "facts."

[Klinke]

Overall I must say it's annoying how you avoid to answer questions.

And i must say that it is very annoying (once again) how people dismiss facts, and try to talk everything good. Seriously, i had so much of that in the years i used Linux, and read about it in forums. My experiences with Linux and Open Source (yes, pure Open Source projects, not the stuff you build closed source on), were generally worse than with most closed source software. And still people insist that it is superior, and Linux is superior. Sorry, no, it isn't. Not at all.

Anyway, let's agree on disagreeing then. I certainly don't need an afternoon of pointless discussions either. How good that we all can use what we consider "better". Again, to figure out what you think it's better, try it, install Ubuntu on an older laptop you don't use anymore, install all audio software there is, or, install a Linux audio distro, and then see for yourself. If you get past installing a realtime kernel, configuring Jack, and all that mess, that is. I'm sure you do, being a computer geek and all that.

Again: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=474157&start=75#p6628152
Work on your reading skill, and your discussion style, and maybe we can then continue. But till then I'm out.

[chk071]

Overall I must say it's annoying how you avoid to answer questions.

And i must say that it is very annoying (once again) how people dismiss facts,

You haven't presented any "facts."

What facts would you like to hear? I use Ubuntu, Mint, and other derviates since 2007. I can present you my "experience". On different computers. I don't think that's an opinion. It's pretty much a fact that Ubuntu and others haven't worked here, as other OS's do.

[ghettosynth]

It's probably safe to say that actual development
time is often increased proportionately to the number of active developers.

Hear hear.

I'm not sure you understood his point.

Start here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month

[Klinke]

The irony of defending open source in a thread dedicated to promoting commercial, closed source plugins for open source advocates.

Why does the OP think that open source folks should use closed source products?

As someone who develop open source software in my free time (https://bitbucket.org/Klinkenstecker/cs ... manual.pdf) as in my professional career I would think I could count as open source folk too, nevertheless I use closed source products. Not everybody is so narrow-minded as you (but yes, some open source advocates are narrow-minded too, as the OP pointed out).

You didn't answer the question. Your history and personal opinions aren't interesting. You have a habit of avoiding discussion, try to improve.

I tried to answer the question (by giving me as an example of a member of the open source folk, that is interested and using closed source products too) but when this is not the case, than maybe you need to rephrase it, or explain me, why my answer does not fit to the question.

[chk071]

It's probably safe to say that actual development
time is often increased proportionately to the number of active developers.

Hear hear.

I'm not sure you understood his point.

I did. I just picked up the important (and correct) point.

Not that anyone would employ a big staff to get no work done.

[ghettosynth]

It's probably safe to say that actual development
time is often increased proportionately to the number of active developers.

Hear hear.

I'm not sure you understood his point.

I did. I just picked up the important (and correct) point.

Not that anyone would employ a big staff to get no work done.

What executives want to happen and what actually happens aren't the same thing. Moreover, as I said earlier, you have zero understanding of how many people actually contribute to a release like Ubuntu.

I'll ask you a question, how many developers do you think that Microsoft employs to work on Notepad? Now, how many do you think work on something like KEdit?

If you actually understood what an operating system was you might start to realize how ignorant your questions are. You start with incorrect assumptions and then extrapolate to in incorrect belief. There are plenty of reasons to criticize specific open source approaches and policies and certainly specific open source projects, but you're not even close to having enough of an understanding to know where to begin with that.

Again, read the book I suggested, that is just the start. There are literally thousands of papers that you can read that represent serious chunks of people's lives trying to understand these questions.

[whyterabbyt]

Did you compare, for instance, how the development of Ubuntu is, compared to Windows or MacOS?

Yes. And have done so continuously since I was first made aware of Linux in the early 90s.

Do you think it develops at the same pace as the said OS's?

As an OS, its outstripped them at various points, and lagged at others. It very clearly led the pace versus the Mac until Apple settled on a different open-source operating system, and I believe the development rate is significantly faster than that of Mach.
Wait, you did know that OSX was based around an open source OS, didnt you?

Do you think ANY Linux distro does?

The OS called Linux and a 'Linux distro' are two distinct things. A distro includes the Linux OS and a very wide variety of included third-part applications that other OS's dont typically ship with (although, of course, OSX includes some of the more system-oriented bits of that same open source stuff as well as its kernel and hey, your argument is kinda getting less clear-cut by the second with this comparison isnt it?)

So which do you mean? Distro, including the hundreds and thousands of third party applications that other OS's dont include, or just the OS itself. I mean, you know that makes a difference, right?

[.jon]

I tried to answer the question (by giving me as an example of a member of the open source folk, that is interested and using closed source products too) but when this is not the case, than maybe you need to rephrase it, or explain me, why my answer does not fit to the question.

No, you omitted the "why", the question completely. Why should people, who have chosen 100% FOSS for ideological reasons or out of naive prejudice towards MS and Apple, start using commercial, closed source software?

OP believes they should use commercial software because it's better in this case, and that FOSS people who don't are idiots. My negative reaction is entirely caused by his retarded contradiction and narrow-mindedness.

[Gamma-UT]

I think my irony meter just exploded.

[whyterabbyt]

OP believes they should use commercial software because it's better in this case, and that FOSS people who don't are idiots.

Liar. That's a fundamental misrepresentation of what he said.

[whyterabbyt]

Why does the OP think that open source folks should use closed source products?

Why are you making the false claim that he thinks that?