A sad new low for lack of teamwork

[ghettosynth]

Overall I must say it's annoying how you avoid to answer questions.

And i must say that it is very annoying (once again) how people dismiss facts,

You haven't presented any "facts."

What facts would you like to hear? I use Ubuntu, Mint, and other derviates since 2007. I can present you my "experience". On different computers. I don't think that's an opinion. It's pretty much a fact that Ubuntu and others haven't worked here, as other OS's do.

You cannot extrapolate your own use of a linux distribution, which is a function of your skills and knowledge, and frankly, not even 100% open source, to a fact about open source. That doesn't mean that open source or linux is developed slowly or fails to meet the needs of others. Including even, for music. I have a good friend that is 100% linux for everything. He uses linux for music and is reasonably happy with it. His needs and expectations are very different from your, and frankly, from most musicians.

You shouldn't really use Ubuntu or Mint, they aren't going to work well for you because you have consumer focused, yet vertically oriented, needs and expectations. Unless you happen to be in one of the verticals where Linux is stronger, you're just going to work too hard and be disappointed.

As I said, you haven't presented any "facts."

[Klinke]

I tried to answer the question (by giving me as an example of a member of the open source folk, that is interested and using closed source products too) but when this is not the case, than maybe you need to rephrase it, or explain me, why my answer does not fit to the question.

No, you omitted the "why", the question completely. Why should people, who have chosen 100% FOSS for ideological reasons or out of naive prejudice towards MS and Apple, start using commercial, closed source software?

OP believes they should use commercial software because it's better in this case, and that FOSS people who don't are idiots. My negative reaction is entirely caused by his retarded contradiction and narrow-mindedness.

Okay, I understand. You are claiming that everybody how read linuxmusician.com is exactly as it fit into your world view (and therefore it's not necessary to check this first). And therefore you ask a rhetorical question, that can not be answered, because any answer can not be correct, as it would be inconsistent with your world view. I just read a programming blog entry (http://blog.professorbeekums.com/2016/1 ... -life.html) some days ago, where someone describe this behavior:

"Teenage me was severely flawed. That guy formed opinions very quickly with little evidence or thought put into it. That alone wouldn’t be so bad if he also didn’t hate being wrong. He hated being wrong so much that he would stick to his poorly formed opinions regardless of how well the arguments against him were. And no opinion was greater than the one that nothing was ever his fault. There was always someone else to blame for anything that went wrong. I’m surprised I still have friends from back when I was that guy."

Hopefully you will learn some when the same lesson as he describes, then we can talk again.

[chk071]

Overall I must say it's annoying how you avoid to answer questions.

And i must say that it is very annoying (once again) how people dismiss facts,

You haven't presented any "facts."

What facts would you like to hear? I use Ubuntu, Mint, and other derviates since 2007. I can present you my "experience". On different computers. I don't think that's an opinion. It's pretty much a fact that Ubuntu and others haven't worked here, as other OS's do.

You cannot extrapolate your own use of a linux distribution, which is a function of your skills and knowledge, and frankly, not even 100% open source, to a fact about open source. That doesn't mean that open source or linux is developed slowly or fails to meet the needs of others. Including even, for music. I have a good friend that is 100% linux for everything. He uses linux for music and is reasonably happy with it. His needs and expectations are very different from your, and frankly, from most musicians.

You shouldn't really use Ubuntu or Mint, they aren't going to work well for you because you have consumer focused, yet vertically oriented, needs and expectations. Unless you happen to be in one of the verticals where Linux is stronger, you're just going to work too hard and be disappointed.

As I said, you haven't presented any "facts."

Ok, let's just say then that my experiences VASTLY differ to those presented by the common folks in Linux user forums, and the peeps advocating in this thread (well, actually, not only my own experiences, but also, those of the computers i ever installed Linux own, for relatives, and friends). I'll leave it at that, as i wrote, there's better things i could imagine to do than discussing this matter on the internet.

[whyterabbyt]

I'll leave it at that, as i wrote, there's better things i could imagine to do than discussing this matter on the internet.

....says he, after making thirty-odd posts about it...

[chk071]

Why, you seem quite keen too.

[.jon]

Okay, I understand. You are claiming that everybody how read linuxmusician.com is exactly as it fit into your world view (and therefore it's not necessary to check this first). And therefore you ask a rhetorical question, that can not be answered, because any answer can not be correct, as it would be inconsistent with your world view.

No, you don't understand.

LinuxMusicians
creating music freely

We value the opportunities afforded to us by Free/Libre Open Source Software.

[Gamma-UT]

No, you don't understand.

LinuxMusicians
creating music freely

We value the opportunities afforded to us by Free/Libre Open Source Software.

Is there some invisible text in there that no-one other than you can read?

[whyterabbyt]

Why, you seem quite keen too.

About a quarter as keen as you.

[chk071]

Why, you seem quite keen too.

About a quarter as keen as you.

Is that a fact?

[ghettosynth]

As I said, you haven't presented any "facts."

Ok, let's just say then that my experiences VASTLY differ to those presented by the common folks in Linux user forums, and the peeps advocating in this thread (well, actually, not only my own experiences, but also, those of the computers i ever installed Linux own, for relatives, and friends). I'll leave it at that, as i wrote, there's better things i could imagine to do than discussing this matter on the internet.

That has fuckall to do with the advantages and disadvantages of open source. Again, it's not really for you, or your friends, or your grandmother. You shouldn't be installing it for anyone, you shouldn't be advocating it, you shouldn't be reading forums and trying to draw general conclusions. You are a consumer of software and you should stick to that model's tried and true approaches to evaluating software for your own use.

I don't advocate Linux for most people. Neither should other people. It's good for some things by the very nature of the forces that have driven its development, its not so good for others. You should make decisions based on solid evaluation of your needs and the quality of the software that meets those needs.

I roll my eyes at people talking about how one should "try linux," especially when it comes from any free/open source pseudo philosophy. If you NEED the value that open source provides and if the software and hardware that you need to use works best on Linux then it might be worth your while to use Linux on one or more computers. This is true for many people and those people want to advocate for linux so that manufacturers and devs support their needs, this is fine. If, however, you take their advocacy to mean that you should wipe your drive and join the club, then the jokes on you.

[chk071]

Aye. Pretty much agree with all that. And maybe a good final word to end the "dispute". Even though i still felt a whole lot of patronizing, and advocating here.

[.jon]

No, you don't understand.

LinuxMusicians
creating music freely

We value the opportunities afforded to us by Free/Libre Open Source Software.

Is there some invisible text in there that no-one other than you can read?

No, it's fairly standard English, mate. Do you need help with that?

[Gamma-UT]

No, it's fairly standard English, mate. Do you need help with that?

So, what does it have to do with the claim you made earlier?

[Klinke]

No, it's fairly standard English, mate. Do you need help with that?

So, what does it have to do with the claim you made earlier?

I assume in his world view the sentence "creating music freely" implies, that for every person who is visiting the forum it's not allowed to used closed source software. A short look into the forum would tell most people that this is not the case (even following the link given by the OP shows that they talk about the idea to at a marketplace subforum), but .jon perspective to the world is a little bit special and restraint.

[Gamma-UT]

No, it's fairly standard English, mate. Do you need help with that?

So, what does it have to do with the claim you made earlier?

I assume in his world view the sentence "creating music freely" implies, that for every person who is visiting the forum it's not allowed to used closed source software. A short look into the forum would tell most people that this is not the case (even following the link given by the OP shows that they talk about the idea to at a marketplace subforum), but .jon perspective to the world is a little bit special and restraint.

Agreed. I was working on the assumption that he might also have assumed that 'freely' meant 'with no money being paid' – free as in beer etc. I was wondering if the penny might drop in his head with a little prodding.