KVR Audio

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:43 am

wagtunes wrote:
EnGee wrote:
serhiy06 wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
serhiy06 wrote:
wagtunes wrote: Go to mixer. Find the OSC and turn the pan knob.
In this case its working for both voices, and the second voice (you had pan to right) does not sound now.
why you don't just use the Pan besides the Detune knob?

Spread Stereo.JPG
It doesn't affect the main voice. It's still centered.

Oh, so serhiy06 wants hard left and hard right instead of just spread. Why then not using two identical OSCs, one to the left and one to the right (detuned if preferred!).

nordickvr · Post by **nordickvr** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:45 am

Cinebient wrote:Sadly it crash often for me when changing parameters, editing envelopes or changing wave, wavetables, samples on the fly.
It seems not everyone have trouble but for me it is def. not ready
But when i can use it for a few minutes it sounds great.....

You probably said it somwhere in the thread, but what are you running Avenger with?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:47 am

wagtunes wrote:
EnGee wrote:
serhiy06 wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
serhiy06 wrote:
wagtunes wrote: Go to mixer. Find the OSC and turn the pan knob.
In this case its working for both voices, and the second voice (you had pan to right) does not sound now
why you don't just use the Pan besides the Detune knob?

Spread Stereo.JPG
It doesn't affect the main voice. It's still centered.
Oh, so serhiy06 wants hard left and hard right instead of just spread. Why then not using two identical OSCs, one to the left and one to the right (detuned if preferred!).

Because, for whatever reason, he wants to do this with just one oscillator.

Klinke1 · Post by **Klinke1** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:47 am

Ring, ring.

..ring-mod? (is this AM-thingy similar to ring-mod?)

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:49 am

exmatproton wrote:
izonin wrote:Decided to give it another go. First I underclocked the GPU to make sure it won't explode

The temps stayed within the limits, but more important is the CPU. The load on the processor when the GUI is open is now way lower than before! Went down from 50 to 12 percent.
Your cpu usage went down by underclocking your gpu?? Weird...

Yep, I have no explanation. Btw the CPU still goes up to 50 if I set the GUI to 50%. At 80% GUI it goes down to 12. Weird indeed.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:54 am

nordickvr wrote:
Cinebient wrote:Sadly it crash often for me when changing parameters, editing envelopes or changing wave, wavetables, samples on the fly.
It seems not everyone have trouble but for me it is def. not ready
But when i can use it for a few minutes it sounds great.....
You probably said it somwhere in the thread, but what are you running Avenger with?

MacBook Pro retina 15" (late 2013), latest macOS Sierra and latest Logic Pro X.
It often crash the whole Logic....the only good thing is that Logic still remind my latest settings before the crash.
But it takes the fun out of it.

Joey ten · Post by **Joey ten** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:56 am

Can i import all the one shot samples from the Vengeance sample cd's into avenger?
Would be cool if i can. Then my library is huge with cool sounds and i can tweak them as well.

serhiy06 · Post by **serhiy06** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:19 am

wagtunes wrote:You're right. You can't do what you want to do. The main voice will always be centered and panning overrides the individual voice pans.

Got it. Thank you. I thought I do something wrong. Well... It is not cool.

wagtunes wrote:Because, for whatever reason, he wants to do this with just one oscillator.

correct. I would like to do some test with unison mode. Stereo spread of 2 voices, put them into l/r and making some changes is one of my starting point lol

serhiy06 · Post by **serhiy06** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:27 am

wait a minute. The "synth" can not to RM like OSC1*OSC2? What about sync, e.g. sync osc2 by osc1 and then ring mod them then mix the result? I can not see a RM line in mixer...OMG. Even worse than I thought

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:35 am

It's probably been mentioned but deleting an LFO is weird. You lose all the routings.

EDIT: I also can't do the monophonic envelope trick because VELOCITY information (and probably all other similar mod sources) seems to be polyphonic (naturally). Is there any way to get an envelope to be global and also be controlled by velocity of the LAST MIDI NOTE only? I really do need a completely monophonic envelope including it's output scaled by velocity.

EDIT2: Could this perhaps be added in a patch? There's plenty of space in the Mod Envelope section to add a -100% to 100% section for velocity (this would then automatically make it monophonic if select as a global envelope of any kind).

simmo75 · Post by **simmo75** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:42 am

How does Avenger compare to Falcon?

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:00 am

simmo75 wrote:How does Avenger compare to Falcon?

Avenger is far superior on the wavetable/re-synthesis side (Falcon only uses a wavetable player and has no re-synthesis function), the sampling side in Avenger is very basic (no sample editor/no looping function/no round robin/samples have to imported as multi-samples and converted to the Avenger format, single wavs can be used only in the drum sampler), it has no granular synthesis, no physical modeling.

Falcon is modular, so you can use as many oscillators, modulators and filters as you like in as many layers as you like, you can setup key-switches in Falcon, you can script and and and and and. Avenger has a limited amount of modulators/filters but they will get you pretty far.

Apples and oranges.

simmo75 · Post by **simmo75** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:06 am

Sampleconstruct wrote:
simmo75 wrote:How does Avenger compare to Falcon?
Avenger is far superior on the wavetable/re-synthesis side (Falcon only uses a wavetable player and has no re-synthesis function), the sampling side in Avenger is very basic (no sample editor/no looping function/no round robin/samples have to imported as multi-samples and converted to the Avenger format, single wavs can be used only in the drum sampler), it has no granular synthesis, no physical modeling.

Falcon is modular, so you can use as many oscillators, modulators and filters as you like in as many layers as you like, you can setup key-switches in Falcon, you can script and and and and and. Avenger has a limited amount of modulators/filters but they will get you pretty far.

Apples and oranges.

Thanks Simon!

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:13 am

simmo75 wrote:How does Avenger compare to Falcon?

It's different. For basic patch creation and immediate satisfaction, it's better than falcon in my opinion. However, now that I've played with it a bit more I think it's safe to say that it's nowhere near as powerful and indepth when it comes to the details.

There seems to be quite a few details that are missing that would make it much easier for a sound designer to add "finesse" to patches. What is sorely lacking in my opinion is a sort of mod mapper/value mapper thing that could be used for processing any modulation source. Ala Alchemy or Falcon.

For instance, I'd like to tweak the MIDI Velocity curve I've assigned to the modulation depth of a mod envelope. Nope, can't do it. There's velocity mapping separately for the "hardwired" amp and filter modules but none in any other places. There's also no way to tweak the actual scaling or centre point for the Keytrack modulation source.

I thought this synth may be the Alchemy killer but I'm starting to realize that we're not quite there yet. I'm sure a lot of these features could be added later. I'm also missing some mod sources like alternate on note on.

I'm also quickly getting annoyed at the tiny mod matrix window. It's the place I keep spending a lot of time in but it's sooooo tiny. Which it could get a pop up option where it eats up all the filter and amp module places.

EDIT: There are also a lot of tiny small weird quirks that I feel like should have been fixed in pre-alpha/alpha/beta. For instance, you can NOT get the right click menu in some places where you would perhaps think it was available. The only way to create a custom bank is to hover the mouse over the factory bank icon. This is NOT immediately obvious as it defaults to 9 bank sizes for the icons, which leaves about 90% empty space where one would assume you can create a custom bank by right clicking. Nope.. you need to be with the mouse on top of an already existing icon.

You'd also assume you can turn a OSC layer on/off with the nice little green LED being so prominent. Nope. You need to hover the mouse above a layer tab and then a M and S button fades in. I think the LED could be used this way: Left click = mute, right click = solo.. kind of like in FL Studio.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:16 am

.. and Avenger just crashed when I tried to save a nice little preset I made. Sigh..

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