KVR Audio

jlaws · Post by **jlaws** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:46 pm

The past few years, it's been released on the first Wednesday of December. taking this into consideration, I think we'll see the release on Wednesday. At least I'm hoping that's the case.

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:49 pm

zyguli wrote:
Guillermo Navarrete wrote:
It doesn't matter if you already had a grace period upgrade in the past. Just make sure to purchase the upgrade Cubase Pro 8.5 from Cubase Artist 8.5. If you activate it within the grace period deadline you should get an upgrade to Cubase Pro 9 once it is released.

Best regards,
GN
Now I'm confused.

Am I eligible for Cubase Pro 9 if I activate an UPGRADE from Cubase Artist 8.5 to Cubase Pro 8.5 AFTER the release of Cubase 9?

Yes, both apply - after grace period start or after release of new version - and you are safely getting v9 Pro.

zyguli · Post by **zyguli** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:58 pm

Thanks, the "deadline" part confused me.
I hope Guillermo can also confirm this.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:59 pm

Yeah, I don't know where the idea came from that you have to activate before 9 has been released. Obviously, if you activate after 9 is released, you still get the grace period.

Here's hoping for an exciting announcement this week. I believe Cubase is already one of the most feature complete hosts out there, so I enjoy seeing new workflow and UX improvements, along with improvements to their performance and composition features. There are a few feature holes to fill, but not many.

Brent

MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:34 pm

Hoping for undo on mixer amongst other improvements.
Is the mixer always on top function ever return?

Muziksculp · Post by **Muziksculp** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:12 pm

So... Two more days to go for Cubase Pro 9 Landing ?

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:09 pm

Cool.

I'm always interested in Cubase major updates just to see what they've been doing over there recently in the Steiny mad scientist laboratory.

Expect the usual: For the "cool new thing" in there (there's always at least one cool new thing in every major update) to hit every other DAW's FR forum within a week.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:36 pm

Muziksculp wrote:So... Two more days to go for Cubase Pro 9 Landing ?

Well, nobody knows for sure. The only real evidence has been the supposed email from Guitar Center about buying 8.5 now to get 9 when it comes out in December. And of course, Steinberg has released a major update the last 4 Decembers (the two before that were in January and February). I think there was a magazine that advertised 9 as well, though it listed features from 8, so it could have been a typo or they just weren't allowed to reveal details yet.

But the evidence points towards a release incoming, even though Steinberg is silent about it as usual. They won't "confirm or deny" anything, which usually tells me it is coming. If it wasn't, they would likely say it wasn't coming yet.

Brent

Ryan99 · Post by **Ryan99** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:38 pm

Be careful. Sweetwater announced the release of Steven Slate Drums 5 last year, and finally it's not out yet!...

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:40 pm

lfm wrote:I would not be overly suprised if the held back on V9 until new video engine is ready and tested, as stated eof feb or so.

Nah, they stated at their forum that the video engine will sadly not be ready prior to the C9 release. So I assume the h264 and h265 engine will be available as a free maintenance update. But I'm not betting on anything in this case (there is a slight chance that this will be a paid module add-on, emphasis: slight).

lfm wrote:Speaking against that would be that it's christmas and we all want a present for ourselves, which Steinberg probably noticed over the years.

I would hold back on that Buy-button....

People assume it'll hit the next days, since it was always a release around December (sometimes January) in recent years. So the question will (sadly) always pop up on the Grace Period.

The thing is... the rules for the Grace Period seems to change ever so often (as in: sometimes). And that is sometimes confusing sometimes. I just want to check in if rules changed.

PointReyes · Post by **PointReyes** » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:29 am

Whenever it comes out, all I care about is an audio engine that is up to the better standards of all other DAWs that I've tried on my Mac Pro. I've read so many complaints about this on multiple forums like Gearslutz, here, and Steinberg's own. Long overdue and desperately needed to be able to play with the other big boys for many of their customers like me who do huge sessions and mixes. PT, Logic, DP, and Reaper all trounce Cubase's CPU capability on my Mac (and so many others if you are a forum nerd/addict like me) and the same on PC from what I've read lots of, and that's what I personally really care about right now. There are plenty of other areas that could use help (like all DAWs) but to me that's the heart of the whole program, so I hope they did the right thing and revamped it for C9.

I would wait an extra couple of months for that!!!!

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:13 am

PointReyes wrote:Whenever it comes out, all I care about is an audio engine that is up to the better standards of all other DAWs that I've tried on my Mac Pro. I've read so many complaints about this on multiple forums like Gearslutz, here, and Steinberg's own. Long overdue and desperately needed to be able to play with the other big boys for many of their customers like me who do huge sessions and mixes. PT, Logic, DP, and Reaper all trounce Cubase's CPU capability on my Mac (and so many others if you are a forum nerd/addict like me) and the same on PC from what I've read lots of, and that's what I personally really care about right now. There are plenty of other areas that could use help (like all DAWs) but to me that's the heart of the whole program, so I hope they did the right thing and revamped it for C9.

I would wait an extra couple of months for that!!!!

What you say is interesting - and my view is that the platform devs do the main work will be better optimized.

Both PT and DP are cpu hogs on windows because they do windows just as a courtesy almost and been on Mac forever. And Logic is Mac only so.

I remember Reaper had some performance problems on Mac scanning for plugins that took forever - but that was some years ago. So I think they develop on windows mainly. But as devs they are outstanding and as you say probably are as efficient on Mac today.

Mac and Windows are very different beasts and needs special care on each platform. It's not just compile the same code that do the real audio work.

I tested PT a year ago on a weaker laptop, and it could hardly do just two tracks without crackles. Everything was smooth with Reaper and Cubase though, I could probably do a full project with those.

So every issue we have - platform should be mentioned to be clear.

Back to Cubase - on Mac are they running Core Audio which is Mac's own, or ASIO which has to be adapted to Mac then?
It could also be that AU plugins are better optimized together with Core Audio flow, kind of.
Steinberg probably have to do handling of both differently compared to VST and ASIO.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:49 am

koolkeys wrote:Yeah, I don't know where the idea came from that you have to activate before 9 has been released. Obviously, if you activate after 9 is released, you still get the grace period.

https://www.steinberg.net/de/support/grace_period.html

Might be slightly different worded in English (page always jumps to German for me), bur it clearly states "before", while other posts about this (release of C8 and C8.5) state "also possible after".

Who knows what rules apply this time around

And I consider the "always released on 1st Wednesday of December" a myth. Else that thing would have been released last week already.

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:57 am

Compyfox wrote: And I consider the "always released on 1st Wednesday of December" a myth. Else that thing would have been released last week already.

Not quite, since last wednesday were Nov 30th.

But tomorrow we will see....

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:37 pm

Okay, got a point right there... looks like I'm misplacing dates again (too distracted recently, apparently...)

Still... C8.5 was released (according to the KVR news) on 14th December 2015, a Monday
C8 was released (again, according to KVR news) on 3rd December 2014, a Wednesday
C7.5 was released on 29th November 2013, a Friday
C7 was released (once more, according to KVR news) on 5th December 2012, funny enough also a Wednesday
C6.5 came out on 29th February 2012, a Wednesday and a leap day
and C6 came out (accordin to KVR) around 13th January 2011, a Thursday

Not counting Nuendo, Dorico, Sequel, Cubasis iOS, Wavelab, the LE versions or even the demos. So, yeah... I still call it a myth.

My hope is actually, that we FINALLY see day-1 demos again. Or at least an offset of 2-4 weeks absolute max. 3-4months is absolutely ridiculus while the .5 upgrades get a demo within 1,5 months. Not only that... Nuendo started a trend with .1 updates again... would really love to see a revival of that. Steinberg has so many tools under their roof now that a "quantity upgrade" is kind of a turn-off at this point (and the competition doesn't sleep on that behalf).

So whenever Cubase 9 will hit (can only be a matter of days/weeks), these are the more interesting questions to me.

Cubase 9 coming in December according to Guitar Center