Avenger vs. Rapid

[exmatproton]

The harsh (default) sound, is just that treble settings. Nothing more (luckily)

Some call it harshness, some call it brilliance
It always depends on your desired sound. I like to do all kinds of stuff with the filter treble and oscillator treble/bass. Unlike a post-eq, these tonal controls act per voice, so I recommend playing with velocity, random trigger and envelopes. You can create interesting attacks and variations. Adding a random modulation to a treble control adds a lot of dynamics to an otherwise static pad for example.

I know

It is actually both harsh brilliance...

I like the knob very much. I just think the setting at 40% is better. Because at 50% and higher(in the default patch/settings) it really is harsh. The bump in the high register is a bit too much on a normal saw or square @ 50%. And i am not the only one finding that the case. In this thread multiple users complain about the "harsh" sound.

Maybe the default setting should be 42%

[recursive one]

It's really handy to have this "treble" control cause when you need a lead sound to stand out in a dense mix - it is here to help. But when a patch using helfy amount of this "treble" (above 30% i think) is played in isolation it creates a sence of harshness, as many users have already said. The only suggestion would be to have it toned down to about 10-30% in the default init patch.

[bite_me]

Rapid wins on the sequencer side! Very easy to use with tons of nice options.

Avenger wins on the flexibility side of routings plus I think the quality of the fx is better.
Unfortunately Avenger got some audioclicks and glitches which Rapid never has.

Rapid is rocksolid and Avenger a little lame when skipping presets.

What I´m wondering about: Did they spy from each other while developing?
The arp is pretty much the same - only Rapids is more usable.

I don´t care about big sample libraries... Just give me 4 waveforms.

Rapid offers a rapid workflow - I miss that in Avenger.

I don´t like the preset area always being so prominent in Avenger and the mod matrix is too
tiny. Do I need a drumsequencer? Not really, but it has some nice routing capabilities again.

Oh, I love that vinylizer in Avenger and the sidechain option in the delay and reverb.

They are both big pieces of software but Avenger could be improved and then become a giant.

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[kurodo]

The arp is pretty much the same - only Rapids is more usable.

I am not sure about that.
Rapid has one advantage in that it supports midi import which initially makes it a bit interesting but the end user display isn't completely practical especially with longer sequences. Also once a midi file has been imported you can't note edit anything, Its completely locked. The same approach as Dune2 used. So its advantages soon become a limit since its easier to use the Daw for such things.

Rapids Arp display is a little more cramped, well at least it is on my monitor.
Editing Rapid Arp patterns and the various values seems slightly limiting.

Avenger seems to have detailed editing within its Arp sequencer with a little more intuitive
approach and allows users to chain up to 4 x 32 bar Sequences as well as a wide variety of timings up to 1/256d
Avenger has a faster way of switching patterns by use of a simple left right arrow navigation as well as very fast velocity editing. Its the little touches Avenger offers that speed up workflow.

Like I said I am not sure Rapids Arp is more usable?

[Mirko R.]

The arp is pretty much the same - only Rapids is more usable.

I am not sure about that.
Rapid has one advantage in that it supports midi import which initially makes it a bit interesting but the end user display isn't completely practical especially with longer sequences. Also once a midi file has been imported you can't note edit anything, Its completely locked.

That's wrong. You can drag out the midi into your DAW and edit it again.

[kurodo]

That's wrong. You can drag out the midi into your DAW and edit it again.

Not sure that importing a midi only to drag it out for further editing is a workflow advantage?
I can see that is a possible solution to a limitation though.
Better still would be an editable display but perhaps that is asking too much?

Keep up the good work with your Synth it has a good sound for sure.

[Mirko R.]

That's wrong. You can drag out the midi into your DAW and edit it again.

Not sure that importing a midi only to drag it out for further editing is a workflow advantage?
I can see that is a possible solution to a limitation though.
Better still would be an editable display but perhaps that is asking too much?

Keep up the good work with your Synth it has a good sound for sure.

Thanks. Will say it to parawave. So I am not the creator. I only made the Factory Content. As far as I know the planned update sequence is:
- OSX
- Wavetable/Sample Import
- Resizable GUI

and as far as i know, after that there will be an advanced Arp and Midi-Editor.

[kurodo]

Thanks. Will say it to parawave. So I am not the creator. I only made the Factory Content. As far as I know the planned update sequence is:
- OSX
- Wavetable/Sample Import
- Resizable GUI

and as far as i know, after that there will be an advanced Arp and Midi-Editor.

I understand, Rapid is still very much in the early stages of development and many new good things will come of it I am sure. I really like the Sound it produces.
Wavetable and Sample import are 2 very nice features indeed.

[frizzbee]

after reading several threads, just a question to mirko r.: why are you that much biased towards rapid? you do advertising, you do videos, you help out people. didn't you work for both and should be more neutral or at least do the same to both? or is there a deal with parawave? just something that came to my mind while reading

[exmatproton]

after reading several threads, just a question to mirko r.: why are you that much biased towards rapid? you do advertising, you do videos, you help out people. didn't you work for both and should be more neutral or at least do the same to both? or is there a deal with parawave? just something that came to my mind while reading

Lol..i am doin the same with Avenger. However, i have Rapid open right now
The time we live in.....awesome stuff!

[Mirko R.]

after reading several threads, just a question to mirko r.: why are you that much biased towards rapid? you do advertising, you do videos, you help out people. didn't you work for both and should be more neutral or at least do the same to both? or is there a deal with parawave? just something that came to my mind while reading

Lol..i am doin the same with Avenger. However, i have Rapid open right now
The time we live in.....awesome stuff!

No I am not advertising... I just love RAPID.

But please don't ask me which synth is better. IMHO they are completely different. It is like "Which DAW is better, FL Studio or Cubase"... Choose the one which mathces better to you. With booth synths it is no problem to create each sound you want.

[Dasheesh]

OK, I'm keeping one eye open on both of these. Sounds to me like Avenger has cleaner sound and more options, but Rapid is more fun and can do the same stuff, just with less features. In the end you have to ask yourself if you really NEED Avenger is my impression.

[exmatproton]

OK, I'm keeping one eye open on both of these. Sounds to me like Avenger has cleaner sound and more options, but Rapid is more fun and can do the same stuff, just with less features. In the end you have to ask yourself if you really NEED Avenger is my impression.

one synth on an island: Reaktor.

But, between these 2 I tend towards Rapid.