KVR Audio

MirkoVanHauten · Post by **MirkoVanHauten** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:52 pm

EnGee wrote:Personally, it was an OK experience. Some of my bugs reports in the beginning was ignored and deleted! So, Actually I decided to leave the board, but after sometime, I noticed that the developer did fixed the bugs I reported, so I returned (I was also busy with 2nd hand charity).

Some beta testers joined lately (like Wagtunes). He didn't witnessed all the efforts we did, but he was a very good beta tester and reported some bugs.

I'm surprised that the beta forum is not active at all since the release!

Can you tell us how many testers you were? Or how they got selected? First come first serve? I read at one point they decided to not accept any testers anymore like they were "enough"...

EnGee wrote:Also, there is no update for what we have (the beta version).

I also expected a NFR license to at least keep testing. I did much less testing for Air and got all their products as NFR (although I bought most of them before being a beta tester). I hope I can afford to buy it, but it is too expensive for me (the normal price), even the discounted is more than I spent to buy FM8, Massive and Absynth (which are together more important for me than Avenger really).For now I can't afford it. So, as surreal did, I stopped testing as well.

Besides the catastrophic release this leaves a bad touch too. Also did some testing for companies and always got an NFR afterwards. This was also some way to encourage the search for bugs.

In general the situation with this plugin and the company seems worse than I thought. Man they were in the business for so long and should know how to do it the correct way. But this event helped people a lot to decide where they spend their money...

bronxsound · Post by **bronxsound** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:55 pm

this thread has become epic.

emtear · Post by **emtear** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:02 pm

Warehouseparty wrote:
emtear wrote:Can somebody please explain why everyone keeps purchasing this synth if it contains all these so called "beta" bugs?
In my case number one reason to buy was the visual feedback on what you are doing by modulating the OSCs. This is something I can't do in any other synth I own and I love it from a learning point of view. This thing can't do anything I couldn't do before (apart from the in my opinion outstanding FFT Editor). But it bundles all the stuff together in one big workstation. No layering, no saving of different patches needed any more. And all this is done in an 100% user-orientated GUI that just looks and feels like it was made for me.

So if the only thing I can complay about is the fact, that fonts are looking blurry and bold - I guess they did a bloody good job in my case.

Obviously this statement is subjective and there are people experience real trouble though. But right now nobody is able to set the number of bugs/issues in relation to the overall picture.

TBH this is the part where I just don't get why DEVs (this counts for nearly every software-DEV, not only in the music business) don't use the fantastic options internet is bringing to them. It has never been so easy to speak to your customer (thankfully msvs is using this option a lot!) but as well it would be easy to get a feeling how bad things really are. Just publish every reported/known bug/issue/request on some kind of feedback tool and make it easy for customers to say "yeah, this would be nice", "I got this bug as well" or "works fine for me like it is". This would give people a far less subjective but databased picture about what they have to expect. You would get some feeling for the needs and wishes of your customers and would be able to prioritize. And the customer would notice they are working on their stuff.

Just my two cents...

Thanks for sharing... I just don't get how so many are finding issues but the they post that they bought?

Matt

arachnaut · Post by **arachnaut** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:06 pm

bronxsound wrote:this thread has become epic.

And there's still 15 days to Christmas.

"On the 12th day of Christmas, my true love gave to me, a really great VST;
On the 11th day of Christmas, my true love gave to me, rev 1.1 of the VST;
On the 10th....
...
On the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me, a fully-tested, really great VST."

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:09 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
msvs wrote:
Something is odd with the knob scaling, I have the formant knob dialed towards the left by 31,3%, now I assign the modulation wheel to the formant knob and add 31,3% in the mod matrix numerically, but that doesn't reset the formant knob to zero, but it goes way beyond the 0 value, that can't be right.
are you sure, that you set the mode in the mod matrix to additive, instead of percentual? If its percentual its 31.3% of THE REST OF THE WAY. Refer to the manual pls for details

and regarding your mod env sync problem: please be absolutely sure, that the Mod Env points sit *exactly* on their grid? Please zoom in completely and take a look
The mod envelopes in synced mode snap to grid, so there is nothing much I can do wrong, but I shall check again when back in the studio. I already spent an hour or so with this subject so I doubt it's pilot error, after about 5 bars the off-sync between envelope and step sequencer becomes audible. Concerning the scaling it's most probably my fault then, sorry for the mis-report.

I tested it again and sure, this off-sync issue is a fact, not pilot error. I assume you knew that before as it needs about 20 seconds to setup and test - but something is keeping you from admitting and fixing it, if you want me to post a video about it on youtube, let me know, but I'll refrain from that for now as I see no need for shouting out Avenger bugs on youtube.

bronxsound · Post by **bronxsound** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:15 pm

^is it a blackmail?

frizzbee · Post by **frizzbee** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:16 pm

does someone know for fact how they handle refunds or licence transfer? i know there's some EU right ensuring you can always sell a licence (this came up in another forum with a issue about a companies resale policy). but i'd like to know how high the fee would be and how exactly the process is going on.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:19 pm

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:21 pm

When I beta tested for Tone2 they gave a NFR to those those who found bugs, if you were on the list and didn't do anything of course you didn't get it. But if you turned in bugs you earned it.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:33 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
msvs wrote:
Something is odd with the knob scaling, I have the formant knob dialed towards the left by 31,3%, now I assign the modulation wheel to the formant knob and add 31,3% in the mod matrix numerically, but that doesn't reset the formant knob to zero, but it goes way beyond the 0 value, that can't be right.
are you sure, that you set the mode in the mod matrix to additive, instead of percentual? If its percentual its 31.3% of THE REST OF THE WAY. Refer to the manual pls for details

and regarding your mod env sync problem: please be absolutely sure, that the Mod Env points sit *exactly* on their grid? Please zoom in completely and take a look
The mod envelopes in synced mode snap to grid, so there is nothing much I can do wrong, but I shall check again when back in the studio. I already spent an hour or so with this subject so I doubt it's pilot error, after about 5 bars the off-sync between envelope and step sequencer becomes audible. Concerning the scaling it's most probably my fault then, sorry for the mis-report.
I tested it again and sure, this off-sync issue is a fact, not pilot error. I assume you knew that before as it needs about 20 seconds to setup and test - but something is keeping you from admitting and fixing it, if you want me to post a video about it on youtube, let me know, but I'll refrain from that for now as I see no need for shouting out Avenger bugs on youtube.

And the behavior is erratic it seems, I just re-programmed some of the problematic mod envelopes with exactly the same settings/rhythms and then they worked, but then when moving one of the points within the sequence just a tiny fraction to left/right without touching the loopback point, the timing goes off again.

bronxsound · Post by **bronxsound** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:34 pm

from what i recall (i may be wrong of course) but beta testing talk here at kvr took place not that long ago. what i mean is that if this was the only time for beta in my view it was way too short. i believe there was a pressure to release the thing before xmas especially whe rapid has emerged. i can see why refx did it but in a way they shot themselves in a foot. anyway i am sure they will get it right. however it is sad to see such a great effort being ruined by too early release.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:34 pm

bronxsound wrote:^is it a blackmail?

Naa, it sounded worse than I meant it, I've done my share of public beta testing, I'll shut up now and let others take over, this is becoming a serious waste of time.

bronxsound · Post by **bronxsound** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:37 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
bronxsound wrote:^is it a blackmail?
Naa, it sounded worse than I meant it, I've done my share of public beta testing, I'll shut up now and let others take over, this is becoming a serious waste of time.

surreal · Post by **surreal** » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:56 pm

bronxsound wrote:from what i recall (i may be wrong of course) but beta testing talk here at kvr took place not that long ago. what i mean is that if this was the only time for beta in my view it was way too short. i believe there was a pressure to release the thing before xmas especially whe rapid has emerged. i can see why refx did it but in a way they shot themselves in a foot. anyway i am sure they will get it right. however it is sad to see such a great effort being ruined by too early release.

Agreed.. but I believe in this Synth and am confident that Manuel and Rene will get the bugs squashed!! But what I can say that while I was working with Avenger (beta version) it was so inspirational and I dont understand what people refer to when they say it is not a characterfull Synth. . Its has got its own sound and that sound is very pleasing to my ears and fits in nicely with the genre that I like to produce!! Just keep going at it Manuel and Rene and don't give up!!!... I mean Edison Beta Tested 10000 globes before he found the ideal combination that worked!!

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