KVR Audio

shapero · Post by **shapero** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:19 am

Thank you all the help I appreciate!

mitchiemasha · Post by **mitchiemasha** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:34 am

Works only with win7... what you on about??? Cubase works fine on w10. Cubase 9 is even better. If you're looking for workflow and simplicity, stay with FL, nothing compares to it's simplicity. If you need extra features Cubase 9 is the way to go. I use Cubase because the things I need it to do with hardware etc, no other DAW can do.

edit: my bad, i see your still on XP... UPGRADE!!!

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:46 am

If you are comfortable with FL Studio then keep using it. There are not many DAWs that are actively supporting the use of older OS's. If you are not on XP Pro then I assume you are 32 bit only.

Stick with FL Studio until you are ready to do an OS upgrade.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:52 am

Try MuLab.

http://www.mutools.com/mulab-downloads.html

Also if you have any MuLab related questions, problems or wanna hang out with nice folks, come here
viewforum.php?f=79

Lejurai · Post by **Lejurai** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:00 am

IMO there's nothing that work like FLS. But changes in workflow? Try all the daws available and decide yourself

Personally I use Reason, Bitwig and Reaper.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:04 am

Well, maybe LMMS.

https://lmms.io/

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:43 am

There are also some sequencers that will work on DOS. I'd still recommend upgrading that 15 year old XP.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:02 am

.jon wrote:There are also some sequencers that will work on DOS. I'd still recommend upgrading that 15 year old XP.

How much new Windows cost in your country? Retail one, not OEM?

More than 200 euros here, saw second hand i5 2500/2400 machines with Windows 7 OEM's for less than that, so buying new Windows is pretty much worst idea ever for anyone that is on XP or older machine, better just get better machine instead, of course, if there's actual reason to do all that in first place.

Lejurai · Post by **Lejurai** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:29 am

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:36 am

Zexila wrote:
.jon wrote:There are also some sequencers that will work on DOS. I'd still recommend upgrading that 15 year old XP.
How much new Windows cost in your country? Retail one, not OEM?

More than 200 euros here, saw second hand i5 2500/2400 machines with Windows 7 OEM's for less than that, so buying new Windows is pretty much worst idea ever for anyone that is on XP or older machine, better just get better machine instead, of course, if there's actual reason to do all that in first place.

I paid 70 eur for my W7 5 years ago, upgrade to W10 was free for everyone.

EDIT: Windows 7 seems to be 29.99e, if you're into vintage computing.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:39 am

thejonsolo wrote:If you are comfortable with FL Studio then keep using it. There are not many DAWs that are actively supporting the use of older OS's. If you are not on XP Pro then I assume you are 32 bit only.

Stick with FL Studio until you are ready to do an OS upgrade.

Yes, that's about the only option. There aren't many DAW's which are similar to FL Studio either. Actually, except for LMMS, which will be a step back rather than a step forward, i couldn't think of any.

P.S.: You can get a legal Windows 7 key for as little as 20 € online (because, really, Windows XP sucks, and no software developer will still support it). Just make sure you don't buy it from some untrustable site, there are sites which sell developer keys, which could get voided by Microsoft, if you're unlucky.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:43 am

Ableton is daily the simplest Daw IMO
Fruitymis far more convoluted

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:18 pm

Hi

I think asking for a 'simple(to use?)' DAW is fair enough - the problem arises when people start to make recommendations!

Any new DAW will be more approachable if you have a reasonable experience of using the things in the first place and likewise the wider your experience the more likely you are to get things going - personally I have owned FL for several versions, never used it a great deal and ALWAYS have major problems getting a track produced in it due to my lack of experience with it.

When I originally purchased Energy XT V1, I was really stuck with how to use it and needed to speak to several people before I got anywhere - once I got through the initial learning curve though, it appeared to be the most flexible and easy to use DAW I had used up to that point.

So when people say such and such a DAW is easy or simple to use in many cases they forget the initial learning curve which they had.

Put simply, the modern DAW does so much more than sequence midi or record audio that by default they are all complex and likely to take some time to learn.

A few DAW's which I have found a little easier to get into than others are:

Mixcraft 6
Orion (discontinued)
Energy XT V2/3 (not many bells & whistles and doesn't seem to get much support anymore)

You also have Reason (any version)

Best of luck.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:49 pm

I think the biggest problem arises when you ask for an alternative with the same workflow as FL Studio. Apart from LMMS, there simply is no other DAW with a similar workflow. Hence, it will be impossible to recommend an alternative, because they're all different to FL Studio. I wouldn't really insist on a similar workflow though, i do think that all DAW's are moderately easy to use, when you get used to them, and, i'd also recommend to learn a DAW with a more "classic" approach, unless you REALLY like what FL Studio is doing. Then i'd really recommend to just go on using FL Studio. Life long updates and stuff.

Oh, and scratch Win XP, if you're serious about making music. Noone supports it anymore really.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:23 pm

I think Ableton is the closest to Fruity in terms of composing and it is so featureless compared to other Daws the learning curve is minimal and pretty obvious

Both use clips and both have an arranger, however Ableton can compose in the arranger view without using clips, fruit cant.

Bitwig too but its learning curve is greater than Ableton due to its larger number of features.
Im ignoring the M4L addon and referring purely to Ableton Standard.

FL Studio alternative?