Bazille - most misunderstood synth?

[exmatproton]

Does Bazille have built-in protection against peaks and other unexpected results when doing the wrong things?

No, no peak limiter at the master output.

[ghettosynth]

my brain explodes whenever I try to reverse engineer a patch. Even if it's one that I created myself.

Haha this is so spot on in my own experience aswell... for good and for bad spagetti

It's part and parcel of the fixed modular arrangement and the cables on the front panel. I think tools like Reaktor have the edge here, although, people don't seem to like the lack of immediacy. Even flexible arrangement modulars, e.g., nord/sonigen, seem to have some of the confusion. The cables look like a real modular, sort of, but their haphazard positioning does not facilitate understanding.

[EnGee]

There is already an ensemble for Reaktor:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... show/7329/

There are also blocks but they are monophonic. Anyway, to build something like Bazille in Reaktor from scratch, it needs a lot of effort and I doubt in the end it would be CPU efficient more than Bazille, or GUI inviting.

It is like comparing Photone (an ensemble comes with Reaktor) with Massive. I much prefer using Massive and in our case here, Bazille

[fmr]

There is already an ensemble for Reaktor:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... show/7329/

Not one, but several (many, actually). This is just an example (the first one, if I'm not mistaken), and part of a larger project from Herwig Krass called Modular X, and there are many modules available for that project, and several ensembles combining these modules, many from third parties. Just do a search using Modular X.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... est/1/all/

[EnGee]

There is already an ensemble for Reaktor:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... show/7329/

Not one, but several. This is just an example (the first one, if I'm not mistaken), and part of a larger project from Herwig Krass called Modular X, and there are many modules available for that project, and several ensembles combining these modules, many from third parties. Just do a search using Modular X.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... est/1/all/

Yes Modular X is the origin I think and there are many derivatives from it by the same author and others. I knew about it, thanks. Still, for me, Bazille wins in ease of use and CPU usage.

[Vortifex]

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[spunkmuffin]

I can't be bothered with synths that are difficult to program. I mean, I might use their presets, but when I see patch cables my eyes glaze over. Give me good ol' knobs to twiddle anyday.

Well Bazille comes with 1700 patches included. I'm sure you can find something in there that suits you.

Also, Bazille has knobs to twiddle. Just load any patch, and twiddle the knobs. There are so many great patches that you can modify to suit yourself that you don't really need to touch a cable ever!

[ghettosynth]

There is already an ensemble for Reaktor:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... show/7329/

Not one, but several (many, actually). This is just an example (the first one, if I'm not mistaken), and part of a larger project from Herwig Krass called Modular X, and there are many modules available for that project, and several ensembles combining these modules, many from third parties. Just do a search using Modular X.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... est/1/all/

Exactly, but, that wasn't at all what I was getting at. Also, I wasn't even asserting for a minute that one could/should build a variant of Bazille in Reaktor. I was ONLY talking about the different visual models of modular synths. The Reaktor/Synthedit/Synthmaker "schematic" view tends to be easier to understand and rewire. The Modular X stuff really pushes Reaktor, but, I've never used it much. I'm not a fan of cables in your face wiring. I get the immediacy, but I don't find Reaktor's approach with two views much of an impediment. As cool as Modular X is, it's still under the hood just Reaktor, so you're adding this somewhat weak visual layer that overcomplicates the underlying ensemble for a very small potential gain in immediacy. I think that NI gets this which is why they went with the approach they did for blocks. It still complicates the underlying instruments, but is able to leverage Reaktor's excellent schematic interface for wiring up the ensemble.

Also, while we're talking about it, and here I'm referring to EnGee's comment, Reaktor is not only mono. Blocks are mono, but don't have to be. I think that you would be challenged to build Bazille in Reaktor, but not because of the basic algorithms. You could most certainly build a Bazille-ish pd/fm oscillator and there are plenty of high quality zdf filters in Reaktor. The problem would be that once you started building a polyphonic Bazille like clone, you'd run into CPU issues. IMNSHO, that's not the way to use Reaktor anyway.

[Bodhisan]

[Well Bazille comes with 1700 patches included. I'm sure you can find something in there that suits you.

This is one of those variables people don't consider when buying u-he plugins - especially when they're secondhand. They put a ton of free presets on their site, and when you consider how much people charge for banks, you're paying pennies a patch when you buy a u-he plugin - plus, gosh damnit, you get a synthesizer to go with them!

[fmr]

[Well Bazille comes with 1700 patches included. I'm sure you can find something in there that suits you.

This is one of those variables people don't consider when buying u-he plugins - especially when they're secondhand. They put a ton of free presets on their site, and when you consider how much people charge for banks, you're paying pennies a patch when you buy a u-he plugin - plus, gosh damnit, you get a synthesizer to go with them!

Really? So that thing that plays ALL those patches is also a synthesizer?

[Razzia]

[Well Bazille comes with 1700 patches included. I'm sure you can find something in there that suits you.

This is one of those variables people don't consider when buying u-he plugins - especially when they're secondhand. They put a ton of free presets on their site, and when you consider how much people charge for banks, you're paying pennies a patch when you buy a u-he plugin - plus, gosh damnit, you get a synthesizer to go with them!

Not just that, I find u-he's presets to be some of the most/only usable ones of any of the synths I own. Aside from Omnisphere, most synths' presets are kind of a lot of generic, genre specific stuff (not that O2 doesn't have any of that, but credit where it's due). That's cool, and they might even been well done at that, but not anything I'd want to use beyond just playing around with for practice or recreation. I especially like Bazille's presets. I understand that with Repro and Diva you have to include some stuff that's reminiscent of the classics or whatever. Bazille gets to be its own thing and its factory bank benefits from that I think.

[Dakl]

Bazille is a LOT of fun to play with but one thing I cannot do to save my life is make a warm, creamy tone. Nor have I found many, or any sounds that I would describe that way among the presets. So many of the sounds are thin and fizzly, if you can understand that term. Never have I wanted to love a synth more, but if I'm being honest to my ears, I can't say the results I've gotten have totally satisfied me.

[Numanoid]

How many patches do you want in your library and what kind of sounds would you like?

OK GS, here you got your work description cut out for you -> make a creamy warm tone patch expansion for Bazille

To be pedantic, I prefer 128 patches in any worthwhile expansion.

[spunkmuffin]

Bazille is a LOT of fun to play with but one thing I cannot do to save my life is make a warm, creamy tone. Nor have I found many, or any sounds that I would describe that way among the presets. So many of the sounds are thin and fizzly, if you can understand that term. Never have I wanted to love a synth more, but if I'm being honest to my ears, I can't say the results I've gotten have totally satisfied me.

If you want cream you want Diva. Diva is a Cream Machine. If you eat too much though you will get FAT.

[Dakl]

Bazille is a LOT of fun to play with but one thing I cannot do to save my life is make a warm, creamy tone. Nor have I found many, or any sounds that I would describe that way among the presets. So many of the sounds are thin and fizzly, if you can understand that term. Never have I wanted to love a synth more, but if I'm being honest to my ears, I can't say the results I've gotten have totally satisfied me.

If you want cream you want Diva. Diva is a Cream Machine. If you eat too much though you will get FAT.

Yeah, I guess. But I'm just saying — the love for this synth surprises me a bit since there seems to be no way to get "round" sounds out of it. Only itchy and scratchy. That's why it could never be my "synth to end all synths."