This just has to be subjective, because out of the first ten pads that come with Bazille, most sound "warm and creamy" to me. Check out: ARK Horns of Valor. If that's not warm and creamy....which description kinda sounds just wrong to say in front of young people...then I guess I don't know what you're looking for.Dakl wrote:Bazille is a LOT of fun to play with but one thing I cannot do to save my life is make a warm, creamy tone. Nor have I found many, or any sounds that I would describe that way among the presets. So many of the sounds are thin and fizzly, if you can understand that term. Never have I wanted to love a synth more, but if I'm being honest to my ears, I can't say the results I've gotten have totally satisfied me.
Bazille - most misunderstood synth?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 807 posts since 7 Aug, 2015 from H2O
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- KVRAF
- 16735 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Are you saying that young people don't like warm and creamy? Just trying to follow along....Bodhisan wrote:This just has to be subjective, because out of the first ten pads that come with Bazille, most sound "warm and creamy" to me. Check out: ARK Horns of Valor. If that's not warm and creamy....which description kinda sounds just wrong to say in front of young people...then I guess I don't know what you're looking for.Dakl wrote:Bazille is a LOT of fun to play with but one thing I cannot do to save my life is make a warm, creamy tone. Nor have I found many, or any sounds that I would describe that way among the presets. So many of the sounds are thin and fizzly, if you can understand that term. Never have I wanted to love a synth more, but if I'm being honest to my ears, I can't say the results I've gotten have totally satisfied me.
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- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Just make 128 creamy and warm patches for tomorrow morning, and we'll judge itghettosynth wrote:Are you saying that young people don't like warm and creamy? Just trying to follow along....
That's what you said right, that you would make free patches, as quick as defrosting a stale piece of beef in a micro-wave oven
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- KVRian
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Lol...I teach 4th-graders (9 and 10 years old), and you'd be surprised how they interpret what I say.ghettosynth wrote:Are you saying that young people don't like warm and creamy? Just trying to follow along....Bodhisan wrote:This just has to be subjective, because out of the first ten pads that come with Bazille, most sound "warm and creamy" to me. Check out: ARK Horns of Valor. If that's not warm and creamy....which description kinda sounds just wrong to say in front of young people...then I guess I don't know what you're looking for.Dakl wrote:Bazille is a LOT of fun to play with but one thing I cannot do to save my life is make a warm, creamy tone. Nor have I found many, or any sounds that I would describe that way among the presets. So many of the sounds are thin and fizzly, if you can understand that term. Never have I wanted to love a synth more, but if I'm being honest to my ears, I can't say the results I've gotten have totally satisfied me.
Sorry - hope that's put it in perspective.
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- KVRian
- 969 posts since 5 Sep, 2014 from Heaven
Warm and creamy? No I don't think I would be surprised. 
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- KVRAF
- 16735 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
They're already done, I just have to run them through warmerupperer and the creamyizer and I'll mail them off. Keep an eye on your inbox!Numanoid wrote:Just make 128 creamy and warm patches for tomorrow morning, and we'll judge itghettosynth wrote:Are you saying that young people don't like warm and creamy? Just trying to follow along....
That's what you said right, that you would make free patches, as quick as defrosting a stale piece of beef in a micro-wave oven
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- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Niceghettosynth wrote:They're already done, I just have to run them through warmerupperer and the creamyizer and I'll mail them off. Keep an eye on your inbox!
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- KVRer
- 28 posts since 6 Sep, 2016
Bodhisan wrote:This just has to be subjective, because out of the first ten pads that come with Bazille, most sound "warm and creamy" to me. Check out: ARK Horns of Valor. If that's not warm and creamy....which description kinda sounds just wrong to say in front of young people...then I guess I don't know what you're looking for.Dakl wrote:Bazille is a LOT of fun to play with but one thing I cannot do to save my life is make a warm, creamy tone. Nor have I found many, or any sounds that I would describe that way among the presets. So many of the sounds are thin and fizzly, if you can understand that term. Never have I wanted to love a synth more, but if I'm being honest to my ears, I can't say the results I've gotten have totally satisfied me.
Yes, it's subjective in that it's my ears. But I stand by my ears and what they perceive. And I've heard other people talk about a certain "thinness" or "digital" quality to the sound. Those are subjective terms too but they correspond closely enough to how I'd describe my own experience. So maybe it's a subjective opinion shared by a lot of people.
And, like I said, I was predisposed to like it. If anything, I'd be eager to talk myself into loving the sound.
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- KVRist
- 296 posts since 1 Jun, 2011
Can I ask?
Because about my favourites, I can answer that. In terms of architecture.
I don't get "just sounds good" argument and so I try to not give one.
For example:
- DUNE 2 has absolutely unique approach to unison, using dozens and hundreds of voices is easy, thus — it can do lush sounds very good.
- erum has a large pile of wavetable editing quirks, superclean bandlimited osc and easy routing, thus — I'm better off creating pop dubstep patches there than in DUNE2 — I just have more tools to work with distortion and HF with certain precision. Of course that's... short versions.
What's it about Bazille?
Because I've installed CM's cut version of it, looked at it, flicked through patches and felt totally uninspired. What's different or special in terms of routing, sound generating, modulation sources, effects, math, anything? Besides interface, which I get will take you to different results by itself?
Why is that?Bazille is practically the only soft-synth I use, these days. It can do cold and sterile or warm and unstable. It can do bat-shit-insane like no other synth I've encountered.
Because about my favourites, I can answer that. In terms of architecture.
I don't get "just sounds good" argument and so I try to not give one.
For example:
- DUNE 2 has absolutely unique approach to unison, using dozens and hundreds of voices is easy, thus — it can do lush sounds very good.
- erum has a large pile of wavetable editing quirks, superclean bandlimited osc and easy routing, thus — I'm better off creating pop dubstep patches there than in DUNE2 — I just have more tools to work with distortion and HF with certain precision. Of course that's... short versions.
What's it about Bazille?
Because I've installed CM's cut version of it, looked at it, flicked through patches and felt totally uninspired. What's different or special in terms of routing, sound generating, modulation sources, effects, math, anything? Besides interface, which I get will take you to different results by itself?
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I love music, worked with a number of music/rhythm/dance games like Pump It Up, In The Groove, Cytus and Deemo, and teach music production.
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- KVRAF
- 16735 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
When I was that age we would have jumped right to thinking that you were talking about poop. Please don't burst my bubble of naivety and tell me that things have changed. I wish to remain hopeful for this planet's future.Bodhisan wrote:
Lol...I teach 4th-graders (9 and 10 years old), and you'd be surprised how they interpret what I say.
Sorry - hope that's put it in perspective.
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- KVRist
- 238 posts since 3 Apr, 2016
I don't know any other synth which can use Osc1 to modulate the phase of Osc2, while an envelope modulates the phase distortion of Osc3, which is used to trigger the sample and hold module, which samples Osc2, which.....Vospi wrote:What's different or special in terms of routing, sound generating, modulation sources, effects, math, anything? Besides interface, which I get will take you to different results by itself?
The unique aspect of Bazille is the combination of the modular architechture in combination with the unique digital oscillators. That doesn't mean it's "better" than other synths, but no other synth can do what Bazille does.
Bazille certainly has a digital vibe, which is kind of the whole point of the synth. There are a lot of "look how analog I can sound!" synths out there, so I think Bazilles digital approach is very, very welcome.
However, it can sound warm and fluffy.
I quickly put something together:
Some Bazille Stuff
That's all Bazille, without any external effects (except of a little limiting on the master bus), including the drums. It's certainly not the best example (I only have the Bazille demo, and it's a little bit annoying to record more complex examples with it), but I think it shows quite well that Bazille can't only do modular craziness.
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- KVRist
- 238 posts since 3 Apr, 2016
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- KVRAF
- 13124 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
Many aspects of Bazille are patch programmable. That is to say, their function is determined by the part they play in the patch. The lag generators can add slew to a stepped signal or they can be crude filters. The oscillators can generate sound or process sound and the same is true for the filters. The sequencer can be used as an audio source if you want. This means that you can get the modules to interact in pretty strange and unpredictable ways.Vospi wrote:Can I ask?
Why is that?Bazille is practically the only soft-synth I use, these days. It can do cold and sterile or warm and unstable. It can do bat-shit-insane like no other synth I've encountered.
Feedback is a big part of this and non-linear signal processing (lag, s&h, quantize, rectify, tap map). Using feedback as a modulation source as well as an audio source can lead to some very interesting sound.
Here is an example of the kind of sounds I make with Bazille:
http://www.3amnoise.net/bazille/dead_cat_demo.wav
http://www.3amnoise.net/bazille/dead_cat-07.h2p.zip
Just hold a note and it'll do some ugly stuff. I'm not sure if anyone else finds this kind of thing useful but it's fun for me.
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- KVRAF
- 16735 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Nice. I don't know what thread Vospi is reading, but, the entire point of Bazille is that it is a modular synth with phase distortion oscillators. It's not a VA synth in that the oscillators are not modeled after an analog oscillator. You can force them to produce approximations of VA waveforms, but, they really don't excel at that.NerdMcBoon wrote:I don't know any other synth which can use Osc1 to modulate the phase of Osc2, while an envelope modulates the phase distortion of Osc3, which is used to trigger the sample and hold module, which samples Osc2, which.....Vospi wrote:What's different or special in terms of routing, sound generating, modulation sources, effects, math, anything? Besides interface, which I get will take you to different results by itself?
The unique aspect of Bazille is the combination of the modular architechture in combination with the unique digital oscillators. That doesn't mean it's "better" than other synths, but no other synth can do what Bazille does.
Bazille certainly has a digital vibe, which is kind of the whole point of the synth. There are a lot of "look how analog I can sound!" synths out there, so I think Bazilles digital approach is very, very welcome.
However, it can sound warm and fluffy.
I quickly put something together:
Some Bazille Stuff
That's all Bazille, without any external effects (except of a little limiting on the master bus), including the drums. It's certainly not the best example (I only have the Bazille demo, and it's a little bit annoying to record more complex examples with it), but I think it shows quite well that Bazille can't only do modular craziness.
It also has four ZDF Uhe filters that have a somewhat unique characteristic to them. I'm not even sure what I'm reading here because if I had to name the top three most unique softsynths in existence, Bazille would have to make that list. The number of proper software modulars that are capable of audio rate modulation isn't really that long. To the best of my knowledge, this is the only modular synth with PD oscillators and proper audio rate modulation combined with ZDF filters. Other than Reaktor, which can perhaps be coerced into some similar territory, is there another such synth?
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- KVRAF
- 13124 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California