Nexus 2 vs Avengers sound quality?

[walker1]

Nexus 2 vs Avengers sound quality?

Someone who can compare if they sound the same, or has a character of its own sound.

Which sounds best?

[woodsdenis]

Nexus is a sample player mainly whereas Avenger isn't, although it can play back multisamples in a limited way. No similarity unles you count Manuels programming sound skills. Same reverb which can add a certain sameness but otherwise very different IMHO. Nexus is a better sample player, Avenger is a better synth.

[lavizh]

At least for my own needs, it comes down to two tings, sound quality and custom expansions. it's a major plus that the user can create custom expansions in Avenger, whereas for Nexus 2 it's not something ReFX wants to do. I emailed them and got a clear answer :

Hi,

No, creating your own .nxp files for personal and commercial sale is not permitted.

Regards,
XXX

So it's super sad and it's a major turnoff for me.

As for the sound quality i think it was explained rather nicely above. Quality wise they are both good. For me both are nice but Avenger gets an extra plus for creating custom expansions.

[walker1]

I know how the Nexus 2 sounds in the sound quality is not super good just ok.
If Avenger sounds better I buy if not I save my Money.

[wagtunes]

Nexus 2 vs Avengers sound quality?

Someone who can compare if they sound the same, or has a character of its own sound.

Which sounds best?

Which sounds best? This is going to sound like a really stupid answer but it's exactly what I would do.

Listen to demos of them both and decide for yourself which you think sounds best.

If somebody asked me which I thought sounded better between Nexus 2 and Avenger I'd say Nexus 2. But I don't own it because it's basically a rompler and I have no interest in a rompler. I want something where I can make my own sounds and sell them if I want.

You may have a completely different opinion.

And that's something you have to decide for yourself.

I mean nobody can tell you what sounds better to YOUR ears.

[Andreas71]

I own both synths and both are great. Nexus has lots of great presets and is very easy to use. Because it's a rompler there is not much you can tweak the basic sounds. Nexus has awesome FX section and trancegate and arpeggiator. Nexus is also very easy on cpu. To me Avenger is like nexus on steroids. I love both. Anyone interested in Nexus should just listen the demos.

[cyphersuit]

I know how the Nexus 2 sounds in the sound quality is not super good just ok.
If Avenger sounds better I buy if not I save my Money.

Nexus sounds great and hundreds of hit records come from Nexus....

[Urs]

At least for my own needs, it comes down to two tings, sound quality and custom expansions. it's a major plus that the user can create custom expansions in Avenger, whereas for Nexus 2 it's not something ReFX wants to do. I emailed them and got a clear answer :

Hi,

No, creating your own .nxp files for personal and commercial sale is not permitted.

Regards,
XXX

So it's super sad and it's a major turnoff for me.

As for the sound quality i think it was explained rather nicely above. Quality wise they are both good. For me both are nice but Avenger gets an extra plus for creating custom expansions.

Lol, that's utter bullshit. Document formats are not copyrighted. If you can figure out how they work, you can create your own and sell them. Just like anyone can create a software that reads those files.

It's as absurd as a certain sound designer forbidding presets he did for one synth to be loaded into another synth. It's simply not his call as long as those presets were obtained legally.

[Coockie1176ln]

Nexus 2 vs Avengers sound quality?

Someone who can compare if they sound the same, or has a character of its own sound.

Which sounds best?

1 its a rompler vs waveshapes, wavetable fm rompler sampler.

Which sounds best? really. Ask how it sounds different instead, best is allways subjective.
But i find em be pretty simelear, avenger offers more filters but also allows same filter.
Have same reverb and delay so thats nice. So they are alike but still so different because avenger is a complete synthiziser which gives the flexibility to create youré own patches. But if sounddesign isnt your
thing and you just wana use preset ready sounds go with nexus it has ton way more patches since its been on market longer. But avenger is really a beast when it comes to making your own sounds and thats when it will differate the most. Nexus isnt meant for sounddesigning, it has some controlls that allows to change timbre to your taste but its not really built for sounddesign because each sound is baised on the patch you are using. Good luck

[brainzistor]

Lol, that's utter bullshit. Document formats are not copyrighted.

As a matter of fact they are. File formats are intellectual property and owner owns patents.
Owner has the right to choose under what terms they can be used.
In most cases they are royalty-free, meaning that you can create software which can read them and write them, but you are not allowed to change them or to have control over their source code or to change their specifications.

If you can figure out how they work, you can create your own and sell them. Just like anyone can create a software that reads those files.

Not really, that's why we never had text editors that natively used Word format, for example.
It was a Microsoft's way to force people to use their Office.
Or, something like 10 years when some Russian guy cracked pdf format and created mini mayhem.
Yes, we had and have software which can read and write pdf files, but only Adobe has the right to change pdf's source code and to change it, no one else because it's their intellectual property.
Whoever does it can be sued and he will lost on court 100%.
That's one of the main reasons why you'll never FULL control over pdf document like you can have in Adobe's products.
Same thing with NI which will not allow anyone to crack their formats and to create converters,
those who did it were bought by NI.

That's the reason why OpenDocument (ODF) has been created in the first place.
People got tired of that copyright bullshit.

I'm not really an expert, just observing things.....

[exmatproton]

Lol, that's utter bullshit. Document formats are not copyrighted.

As a matter of fact they are. File formats are intellectual property and owner owns patents.
Owner has the right to choose under what terms they can be used.
In most cases they are royalty-free, meaning that you can create software which can read them and write them, but you are not allowed to change them or to have control over their source code or to change their specifications.

If you can figure out how they work, you can create your own and sell them. Just like anyone can create a software that reads those files.

Not really, that's why we never had text editors that natively used Word format, for example.
It was a Microsoft's way to force people to use their Office.
Or, something like 10 years when some Russian guy cracked pdf format and created mini mayhem.
Yes, we had and have software which can read and write pdf files, but only Adobe has the right to change pdf's source code and to change it, no one else because it's their intellectual property.
Whoever does it can be sued and he will lost on court 100%.
That's one of the main reasons why you'll never FULL control over pdf document like you can have in Adobe's products.
Same thing with NI which will not allow anyone to crack their formats and to create converters,
those who did it were bought by NI.

That's the reason why OpenDocument (ODF) has been created in the first place.
People got tired of that copyright bullshit.

I'm not really an expert, just observing things.....

I think it is debatable and it depends heavily on the format/owner/legal system;

http://www.fileformat.info/mirror/egff/ch08_09.htm

[brainzistor]

I think it is debatable and it depends heavily on the format/owner/legal system;
http://www.fileformat.info/mirror/egff/ch08_09.htm

That's why I said:

Owner has the right to choose under what terms they can be used.
In most cases they are royalty-free, meaning that you can create software which can read them and write them, but you are not allowed to change them or to have control over their source code or to change their specifications.

If you go to read about MP3 format, you'll see all the chaos:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licen ... egislation

Quote from Wikipedia:

In September 1998, the Fraunhofer Institute sent a letter to several developers of MP3 software stating that a license was required to "distribute and/or sell decoders and/or encoders". The letter claimed that unlicensed products "infringe the patent rights of Fraunhofer and Thomson. To make, sell and/or distribute products using the [MPEG Layer-3] standard and thus our patents, you need to obtain a license under these patents from us.
MP3 license revenues generated about €100 million for the Fraunhofer Society in 2005."

[egbert101]

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[recursive one]

I actually learned recently that the ears can't always be trusted. Sometimes the oscilloscopes, analysers and tests are needed to really determine what is better quality.

And how did you learn this?

[wagtunes]

Which sounds best? This is going to sound like a really stupid answer but it's exactly what I would do.

Listen to demos of them both and decide for yourself which you think sounds best.

If somebody asked me which I thought sounded better between Nexus 2 and Avenger I'd say Nexus 2. But I don't own it because it's basically a rompler and I have no interest in a rompler. I want something where I can make my own sounds and sell them if I want.

You may have a completely different opinion.

And that's something you have to decide for yourself.

I mean nobody can tell you what sounds better to YOUR ears.

I actually learned recently that the ears can't always be trusted. Sometimes the oscilloscopes, analysers and tests are needed to really determine what is better quality.

Better quality. Hmmm. What exactly does that mean? Does it mean better representation of a sawtooth wave? Does it mean which has a more accurate or realistic reverb? Does it mean which 24 LP filter is more accurate?

A lot of people talk about better quality but isn't that still an objective thing? I mean Synth A may have a more accurate representation of a 24 LP filter but that doesn't necessarily mean that John Doe won't like the sound of Synth B better.

All I know is, and this is just my personal preference, I have never bought a synth based on scientific tests. If I like the way a synth sounds to my ears, I buy it. It's really that simple.

But I guess everybody is different.