Who's getting the new Wave Alchemy Revolution Drum machine?

[jbuonacc]

... figured I would ask here in case you missed it. I am noticing that in that same area as your screenshot it says Bass Drum 1 when I select BD2. Is that a bug, normal, or did I mess something up?

i've noticed this as well. it's on my "bug list" that i've been meaning to submit to them.

[crevice]

Ok cool. I was worried that some how I did some crazy stuff that messed it up. Glad it is not just me! Overall though, this thing is amazing and most importantly sounds GREAT.

[jbuonacc]

here's a link to my edited Maschine group template if anyone wants to check it out. it's got a 707 kit loaded with a few Maschine patterns programmed. just drop it into a Group slot like you would with the included Group template and you're good to go.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d8myjqj805gn6 ... S.zip?dl=0

EDIT: hopefully the link works and you're able able to download it. please let me know if you're able to, or if you have any problems.

thanks to one of the guys at the GS forums, he figured out how to get the Maschine pads set up to trigger and sequence the 'REVOLUTION' instrument slot the "normal" (Maschine) way.

i moved 'REVOLUTION' to sound slot 16 to keep it separated, and set the rest up like this:

1 - BD1
2 - BD2
3 - SD1
4 - SD2
5 - HH1
6 - HH2
7 - HH3
8 - PERC1
9 - TOM1
10 - TOM2
11 - TOM3
12 - PERC2
13 - CYM1
14 - CYM2
15 - (empty)
16 - 'REVOLUTION'

it's easy to re-order the instruments, just drag them into whichever slot you'd like. you can even move the 'REVOLUTION' "instrument" and all the others will adapt to the routing. this is just killer. nice comfortable layout, with flexible Maschine sequencing. this way you can Mute/Solo the pads like normal, and even use Note Repeat.**

with the way they had it set up i saw it as useless and wasn't even going to bother with using it inside Maschine. this is how i thought they would have done it, the included Maschine Group template makes no sense to me. why use the internal 'REVOLUTION' sequencer if you're using it inside Maschine anyway? (hey, they tried, and actually did half the work as far as the audio routings. it is a bit complicated to set up, and not quite "intuitive". i was pretty sure that this could be done, but probably wouldn't have taken the time to figure it out if the guy at GS hadn't mentioned actually doing it.)

love having it set up like this. you really can do everything right inside Maschine without using the on-screen interface, the way it's all mapped (and each instrument is easily accessible with the selection knob on Page 1) is fantastic. this just took this thing to a whole other level. unbelievable.

i'll also continue to use it on its own track inside Ableton (for example) as well, i like using it like that too.


** a couple of things to be aware of though... looks like Note Repeat doesn't record correctly when it's "locked" or if you have it set to stay on after pushing it. if just holding it down it works ok. either way, for some reason it also causes it to record on the 'REVOLUTION' slot as well. you need to go back and delete those notes, or maybe just ignore them? also... you can add fx to the sound slots, but the first one you add seems to change the name of the Instrument track. just rename it back to "HH 1" or whatever it was originally.

enjoy!

[LarsErik]

here's a link to my edited Maschine group template if anyone wants to check it out. it's got a 707 kit loaded with a few Maschine patterns programmed. just drop it into a Group slot like you would with the included Group template and you're good to go.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d8myjqj805gn6 ... S.zip?dl=0

EDIT: hopefully the link works and you're able able to download it. please let me know if you're able to, or if you have any problems.

enjoy!

Thanks for sharing. The wave alchemy setup was a minimum effort thing probably.

Question:
I don't understand the "selection knob 1" stuff, can you tweak individual instruments or what?

[jbuonacc]

Question:
I don't understand how you get access to tweaking individual instruments withing Revolution with this template.. Do you have macros setup or what?

go to the 'REVOLUTION' "instrument" on slot 16, it's all done on that. on the first page (on the far right) is a knob that's programmed to switch between the 14 drum sounds. all/most of the other pages and their parameters reference whichever instrument is chosen.

[LarsErik]

Question:
I don't understand how you get access to tweaking individual instruments withing Revolution with this template.. Do you have macros setup or what?

go to the 'REVOLUTION' "instrument" on slot 16, it's all done on that. on the first page (on the far right) is a knob that's programmed to switch between the 14 drum sounds. all/most of the other pages and their parameters reference whichever instrument is chosen.

OK thanks I'll check that out.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I wish this thing had a modulation sequencer for setting things like the filter or decay etc. as stepped automation which is part of the sequence. Anyone who has used Arturo's Spark will know what I mean. Select a parameter from the list and draw in the automation as bars on the grid.

Or is there something like this already in the internal sequencer? Haven't purchased yet since I can't download yet.

[wave alchemy]

I wish this thing had a modulation sequencer for setting things like the filter or decay etc. as stepped automation which is part of the sequence. Anyone who has used Arturo's Spark will know what I mean. Select a parameter from the list and draw in the automation as bars on the grid.

Or is there something like this already in the internal sequencer? Haven't purchased yet since I can't download yet.

This is possible in Revolution. Any/all of the drum machine modules' analogue controls (for example on a 909 bass drum this would be Tune, Decay, Attack) can be routed to velocity, which in turn is routed to the step sequencer and can be sequenced per step, per drum sound. You can also route the filter cut-off to velocity, which can also be controlled per step in the sequencer for each drum sound

[Echoes in the Attic]

I wish this thing had a modulation sequencer for setting things like the filter or decay etc. as stepped automation which is part of the sequence. Anyone who has used Arturo's Spark will know what I mean. Select a parameter from the list and draw in the automation as bars on the grid.

Or is there something like this already in the internal sequencer? Haven't purchased yet since I can't download yet.

This is possible in Revolution. Any/all of the drum machine modules' analogue controls (for example on a 909 bass drum this would be Tune, Decay, Attack) can be routed to velocity, which in turn is routed to the step sequencer and can be sequenced per step, per drum sound. You can also route the filter cut-off to velocity, which can also be controlled per step in the sequencer for each drum sound

yeah i do realize that you can route parameters to velocity, but that only gives you single modulation signal per drum, plus then you lose velocity for volume unless you want the exact same modulation for volume and some other parameter. i would normally want to use velocity for gain and/or brightness and give other parameters their own modulation.

perhaps an improvement for the future?

[wave alchemy]

I wish this thing had a modulation sequencer for setting things like the filter or decay etc. as stepped automation which is part of the sequence. Anyone who has used Arturo's Spark will know what I mean. Select a parameter from the list and draw in the automation as bars on the grid.

Or is there something like this already in the internal sequencer? Haven't purchased yet since I can't download yet.

This is possible in Revolution. Any/all of the drum machine modules' analogue controls (for example on a 909 bass drum this would be Tune, Decay, Attack) can be routed to velocity, which in turn is routed to the step sequencer and can be sequenced per step, per drum sound. You can also route the filter cut-off to velocity, which can also be controlled per step in the sequencer for each drum sound

yeah i do realize that you can route parameters to velocity, but that only gives you single modulation signal per drum, plus then you lose velocity for volume unless you want the exact same modulation for volume and some other parameter. i would normally want to use velocity for gain and/or brightness and give other parameters their own modulation.

perhaps an improvement for the future?

This is true to some extent - but you don't have to have the exact same modulation amount per drum sound. With Revolution you can control the amount sent to velocity from each of the modulation sources (a percentage value). With this it allows you to still have quite a lot of control over modulation. For example you could route volume/accent to velocity at 30%, filter cut-off - velocity at 100% and decay - velocity at 60% (as an example). You can also send a negative amount to velocity, which gives even more versatility.

It's true that with individual sequencer lanes for each modulation that this would become even more versatile, and we will discuss this and see what we can do for a future update

[tehlord]

Could somebody explain the Ableton Live preset/drum rack integration? It was suggested at Gearslutz that this was a thing and I downloaded the demo last night, but there are no Live presets there.

Apparently the drum rack preset is fed from Kontakt/Player, so I assume I'd sequence it like I usually would from Live, but controls and automation still occur within the Kontakt plugin?

[crevice]

Could somebody explain the Ableton Live preset/drum rack integration? It was suggested at Gearslutz that this was a thing and I downloaded the demo last night, but there are no Live presets there.

Apparently the drum rack preset is fed from Kontakt/Player, so I assume I'd sequence it like I usually would from Live, but controls and automation still occur within the Kontakt plugin?

The drum rack is in the full version, not the demo. In the full version the drum rack is located in the extras folder. You just take that file and drag it into a track in ableton and from there you can save it, so it saves in your user library. I created a drum rack that has all drum sounds routed to individual outputs , but while using komplete kontrol instead of kontakt, since I use an ableton push with a komplete keyboard. If anybody wants that file let me know.

I do wish that all the drum controls were mapped out for ableton push as well, similar to how they are done for komplete/maschine. This way I could tweak drum sounds (decay, etc) on the push.

[Echoes in the Attic]

This is true to some extent - but you don't have to have the exact same modulation amount per drum sound. With Revolution you can control the amount sent to velocity from each of the modulation sources (a percentage value). With this it allows you to still have quite a lot of control over modulation. For example you could route volume/accent to velocity at 30%, filter cut-off - velocity at 100% and decay - velocity at 60% (as an example). You can also send a negative amount to velocity, which gives even more versatility.

Yeah different amounts of modulation doesn't really change the fact that you are stuck using the same modulation steps you've already used for whatever else velocity is controlling, or that you can't have more than one independent modulation sequence.

It's true that with individual sequencer lanes for each modulation that this would become even more versatile, and we will discuss this and see what we can do for a future update

As always, that's great to hear. I think for now I would use thus always with an external sequencer like in Maschine but with freely assignable modulation lands I'd probably use it standalone quite often.

[tehlord]

Could somebody explain the Ableton Live preset/drum rack integration? It was suggested at Gearslutz that this was a thing and I downloaded the demo last night, but there are no Live presets there.

Apparently the drum rack preset is fed from Kontakt/Player, so I assume I'd sequence it like I usually would from Live, but controls and automation still occur within the Kontakt plugin?

The drum rack is in the full version, not the demo. In the full version the drum rack is located in the extras folder. You just take that file and drag it into a track in ableton and from there you can save it, so it saves in your user library. I created a drum rack that has all drum sounds routed to individual outputs , but while using komplete kontrol instead of kontakt, since I use an ableton push with a komplete keyboard. If anybody wants that file let me know.

I do wish that all the drum controls were mapped out for ableton push as well, similar to how they are done for komplete/maschine. This way I could tweak drum sounds (decay, etc) on the push.

Ok thanks.

So I'm assuming if I still use Kontakt (or player) the outputs will be routed from that? I'm just trying to get my head around how the routing will be setup.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Could somebody explain the Ableton Live preset/drum rack integration? It was suggested at Gearslutz that this was a thing and I downloaded the demo last night, but there are no Live presets there.

Apparently the drum rack preset is fed from Kontakt/Player, so I assume I'd sequence it like I usually would from Live, but controls and automation still occur within the Kontakt plugin?

The drum rack is in the full version, not the demo. In the full version the drum rack is located in the extras folder. You just take that file and drag it into a track in ableton and from there you can save it, so it saves in your user library. I created a drum rack that has all drum sounds routed to individual outputs , but while using komplete kontrol instead of kontakt, since I use an ableton push with a komplete keyboard. If anybody wants that file let me know.

I do wish that all the drum controls were mapped out for ableton push as well, similar to how they are done for komplete/maschine. This way I could tweak drum sounds (decay, etc) on the push.

With this style of set up using a single instrument that is unfortunately not possible in Ableton, however once there are single instrument versions of the drum modules, then it will be possible because each drum pad will have its own instrument, no fancy audio and midi routing required. And thankfully they've stated that they are going to be providing this in an update, which is awesome.