KVR Audio

DrewDale · Post by **DrewDale** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:08 pm

bob bobwood wrote:Yo siree, altered it every but here. http://www.naiant.com/SM/
then select SM Forum Attachments and then Compressed files.
I also have the big file; SynthMaker_Forum_081912.zip but haven't had to chance to look at it yet to see if it contains anything additional - I suspect it will have the original actual forum pages for these downloads if nothing else.

btw, if you get links that appear not to connect or are dead, try knocking off the last part and so on.

Many thanks bob

stockholm808 · Post by **stockholm808** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:49 am

thanks

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:37 am

Happy New Year everybody !

Not an old gem of the past but I hope it will be... in ten years.

I post this here as I know that all of you are enthusiastic by the use Synthedit and Synthmaker plugins without any systematic whining attitude simply because Synthedit or Synthmaker.

My question is : would some of you be kind to test the Mellotron emulation I have made in 2016 and which I'm currently finishing?

I'm open to any suggestion, knowing that:

the tool is made to remain extremely simple;
the effects are designed to provide a real 60's taste (the reason why the reverb sounds a bit metallic for example, to emulate the old real spring reverbs);
the GUI is quite large because I have made it with the visually impaired persons in mind;
I have got the authorization from Taijiguy to use his sample set and embed it in the plugin.

Luigi, from NuSofting, already gave me some pieces of advice that I'm gonna follow for some improvements.

If you want to test this tool, you can download it here:
http://hsjp.eu/For_Taijiguy/BW-Tron.zip

Here is the GUI that you'll have on your screen:

Just a precision to end this post: please don't share it around you for the moment and don't talk too much about it for the moment outside this thread as long as I have not totally finished it. I would like to create a page in the KVR Database for it when it is finished. And I would like it to be done within January.

If you're OK, I let you test it and give me your impressions and suggestions for small improvements if any.

Thank you everybody!
Jacques

Cruba · Post by **Cruba** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:11 am

Uhuh... I will test it, but it will be hard to rate it in a fair way, because I think you can't do better than Artifrake_Lab.

It would be nice to know:

1) Did you clean the samples?
2) Is a clickswitch planned?
3) Is a loopmode planned?

As I said, I'll test it today and give you feedback. Over 30 years I'm a big genesisfan now, you will get a precise feedback.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:28 pm

Hello !

Well, BW-Tron is not aimed at replacing RedTron.

During the last years I have encountered (and it is my case too) more and more people having visual issues with the readability of RedTron GUI.

Being in that case I decided to make mine (but with a commercial sample set, very comprehensive). It work so well that I then decided to make another one for freeware distribution using Taijiguy's sample set. I sent the product to Taijiguy who answered me that he was ok. So... here it is.

I didn't clean the samples, feeling that as they are they give a good impression of a real old instrument.

A click switch could be added, yes. It's a good idea.

A loop mode? Hmm... What do you name a "loop mode" in the case of a Mellotron?

Cheers!

ras.s · Post by **ras.s** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:01 pm

I can report it works perfectly fine on a 64bit Windows 7 with Bitwig's internal bit bridge.

Few things that I'd like to see;

- continuous fade between the A and B sounds. This isn't a big issue since the same result can be achieved setting it to play A+B and then adjusting the volume controls, but I think it would make it slightly easier to achieve the desired sound (effectively two knobs less).

- own attack and release controls for both sounds -- plus a pan knob for both.

- a optional key split point, so that the musician could play, say, string chords with the left hand and a flute melody with the right hand. In particular if paired with the previous request, there could be strings with slow attack and long decays and a flute sound with quick attack and decay.

You've laid it out nicely, I like that and the chorus sounds pleasant, especially with two string sounds playing. Good stuff, great direction to go with making your own instruments.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:20 pm

Good ideas, ras.s !

I put them on the to-do list.

I think that there will be a version 2. Probably that I'll do the fade and the Attack/Realease/Pan idea for the current version 1.
And I think that I'll postpone the keyboard split to the version 2... simply because it is precisely a point that I have yet never broached in my experiments and I have absolutely no idea of what it needs regard to time.

But your two first paragraphs, for the version 1, already I can say : yes!

ras.s · Post by **ras.s** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:34 pm

I'm no Synthedit expert, but I guess you could approach it so that when the split option is activated, all notes below note number X (chosen from a dropdown list) go to sound A and every note above X go to sound B. But like I said, I'm not really familiar with Synthedit (damn I should have gotten it ten years ago..) so I have no idea how to implement it.

The Mellotron flute sound is my absolute favourite flute sound (well, besides someone actually playing a flute), thanks for bringing it to my attention again..

Turello · Post by **Turello** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:52 pm

@BlackWinny: Thanks and congrats, cool plugin (I'm a 70's Prog Rock Fan!)... Hope You'll add an envelope section and some starting preset for the future!

PS: about the presets, I would suggest a few presets based on popular songs...

Cruba · Post by **Cruba** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:37 pm

Loopmode: Mellotron based on 7sec tapes (8 sec with startpoint). Loopmode would mean like Artifake made, that you could play the sound over 8 seconds.

Chris-S · Post by **Chris-S** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:46 pm

BlackWinny wrote:Here is the GUI that you'll have on your screen:

GUI looks a bit defect on my computer (probably because I changed the windows font size settings).

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:07 pm

Chris-S wrote:GUI looks a bit defect on my computer (probably because I changed the windows font size settings).

It can happen with many applications when the chosen font size setting is different, yes, and also when the definition size of the screen (width on height in pixels) is a bit different than the original ratio proposed by default on the computer by Windows or OSX.

Unfortunately it is things which are rendered by the system, not by the plugins, so... I'm not sure of the possibility to fix that kind of issue.

sfd · Post by **sfd** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:31 pm

BlackWinny wrote:Happy New Year everybody !

Not an old gem of the past but I hope it will be... in ten years.

I post this here as I know that all of you are enthusiastic by the use Synthedit and Synthmaker plugins without any systematic whining attitude simply because Synthedit or Synthmaker.

My question is : would some of you be kind to test the Mellotron emulation I have made in 2016 and which I'm currently finishing?

I'm open to any suggestion, knowing that:

the tool is made to remain extremely simple;

the effects are designed to provide a real 60's taste (the reason why the reverb sounds a bit metallic for example, to emulate the old real spring reverbs);

the GUI is quite large because I have made it with the visually impaired persons in mind;

I have got the authorization from Taijiguy to use his sample set and embed it in the plugin.
Luigi, from NuSofting, already gave me some pieces of advice that I'm gonna follow for some improvements.

If you want to test this tool, you can download it here:
http://hsjp.eu/For_Taijiguy/BW-Tron.zip

Here is the GUI that you'll have on your screen:

Just a precision to end this post: please don't share it around you for the moment and don't talk too much about it for the moment outside this thread as long as I have not totally finished it. I would like to create a page in the KVR Database for it when it is finished. And I would like it to be done within January.

If you're OK, I let you test it and give me your impressions and suggestions for small improvements if any.

Thank you everybody!
Jacques

It's very nice. I do like the GUI, Very eye friendly.

I see this version was uploaded the first of February last year.
If you've been working on i tsince then. Don't you have a more decent version to share with us?

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:56 pm

sfd wrote:It's very nice. I do like the GUI, Very eye friendly.

I see this version was uploaded the first of February last year.
If you've been working on i tsince then. Don't you have a more decent version to share with us?

Hello my friend!

Happy new year to you, my friend !

Yes, as everybody can see at the date/time of the dll, this plugin was made last year. And.. may I can tell that it has been thought essentially... for you?

I have a visual impairment, but yours is much worse (you told about it in some Xils thread among others, I'll not give more precision) and it is in priority for the safe of your eyes that I have thought this GUI, much more than for my eyes.

For reasons of health (some friends here already know what is my disease for life) in addition to a quite constraining (but wonderful) big musical project (which will run for 4 years) I have been constraint to delay the completion of BW-Tron, and it is only now that I resume the advancement.

You had tested it for weeks, and together we have made it better and better... and now we arrive at the step where I need to ask more people to test it and give suggestions for new improvements before the date of the public release.

So, here we are...

sfd · Post by **sfd** » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:14 am

Just a small comment - for now.

Somebody suggested a pan knob. I'm against it. I like the GUI to be as clean as possible. With nothing more then the basic functions.

Second, I see no real point. You can pipe every single sound into whatev er speaker in a room full of speakers. If you like.

That would be some kind of "stereo". But honestly - the world is not stereo. The real world is - mono.

...and the real world sounds beautiful

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