The Legend vs repro-1

[ImNotDedYet]

Completely different sounds and functionality sets, so it's really best to decide for oneself what sound they want and what functionality they want.

One thing not mentioned yet that I saw is the sequencer on Re-Pro1 is pretty fantastic.

I would say from an overall sound generation synth, Re-Pro1 has more possibilities, especially with the effects and particularly Jaws. If I had to choose between the two, I'd choose Re-Pro due to no one else really having done anything along those lines. Minimoog has been done and done well by a few companies.

[egbert101]

I don't have access to marketing data, but I would assume people buy the Minimoog emulations for that 'phat' or funky bass sound (whether it really has it or not) and actually want to use it as an instrument rather than just a synthesizer. I think personally, NI Monark comes closest to achieving that particular sound and vibe.

As for Pro One emulations, it seems people are more interested in it sounding different to other synths, than being analog purists and really requiring that particular sound. Which is a shame, because I appreciate the hard work that must have gone into it. But before Repro-1 came along, I don't think there was that much of a demand for a Pro One emulation, compared to any other vintage synths, probably because it was monophonic when its contemporary synths were already establishing themselves as polyphonic in the eighties.

People still talk affectionately about Native Instruments discontinued Pro 53, so I assume there is more demand for a Prophet 5 emulation still.

[Ingonator]

People still talk affectionately about Native Instruments discontinued Pro 53, so I assume there is more demand for a Prophet 5 emulation still.

Arturia Prophet V (currently v3) seems to be better than that one (and additiionaly includes the Prophet VS and a hybrid synth of the Pro 5 and VS). I had re-programmed Prophet 5 presets in Repro-1 during the public Beta using Prophet V3 (+ patch sheets and audio demos) as a source/reference:
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=473084

Anyway also due to the sound quality of Repro-1 there would be uindeed demand for another and or a "final" Prophet 5 emulation.
Along the polyphonic analog synths the Prophet 5 seems to almost have the same legendary status as the Minimoog has for monophonic synths.

[egbert101]

Arturia Prophet V (currently v3) seems to be better than that one (and additiionaly includes the Prophet VS and a hybrid synth of the Pro 5 and VS). I had re-programmed Prophet 5 presets in Repro-1 during the public Beta using Prophet V3 (+ patch sheets and audio demos) as a source/reference:
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=473084

Anyway also due to the sound quality of Repro-1 there would be uindeed demand for another and or a "final" Prophet 5 emulation.
Along the polyphonic analog synths the Prophet 5 seems to almost have the same legendary status as the Minimoog has for monophonic synths.

I don't know. If you listen to the presets in that video, you'll probably start to see why an authentic sounding Prophet 5 is still something that people will pay for. I'm not sure just how authentic Arturia's sounds, although it is a very nice synth. But yeah, the Prophet 5 it is definitely within legendary status.

[Ingonator]

you'll probably start to see why an authentic sounding Prophet 5 is still something that people will pay for.

More or less this is what i said. I did not mean that the Arturia Prophet 5 is 100% perfect in terms of emulation but it seems to be the best native Prophet 5 plugin at the moment and sounds nice on it's own for sure. If there will be a new Prophet 5 plugin this is what needs to be compared IMO and not Pro-53.

I bought the first version of Prophet V around 2006 and due to the age of the fisrt version it stiil sounds nice while there were some updates since then (currently v3).

Currently i got both v2 and v3 installed (with V-Collection 4 and 5) as v2 offers to import original Prophet 5 and VS Sysex files which does not seem to be poossible in v3. There is a conversion tool by Arturia that could convert v2 presets to v3 which also includes patches imported from Sysex files.

[Yorrrrrr]

I got both and love both for different reasons. Legend for the autentic minimoog sound, the filter, polyphony, unison. RePro-1 for the effects and sequencer mainly.

[egbert101]

I got both and love both for different reasons. Legend for the autentic minimoog sound, the filter, polyphony, unison. RePro-1 for the effects and sequencer mainly.

Effects and sequencer.

Guess all that work on the filter was a waste.

[Yorrrrrr]

I got both and love both for different reasons. Legend for the autentic minimoog sound, the filter, polyphony, unison. RePro-1 for the effects and sequencer mainly.

Effects and sequencer.

Guess all that work on the filter was a waste.

Not sure if I like the filter behavior when the resonance is cranked up.

[Urs]

I got both and love both for different reasons. Legend for the autentic minimoog sound, the filter, polyphony, unison. RePro-1 for the effects and sequencer mainly.

Effects and sequencer.

Guess all that work on the filter was a waste.

Not sure if I like the filter behavior when the resonance is cranked up.

How does the "bass loss" sound different between both at same resonance, taking into account that Pro-One resonance has far wider range? I guess Minimoog resonance goes to about 60% of Pro-One resonance, so I guess you'd have to compare Minimoog all up to Pro-One at about, well a tad right off middle position.

[Yorrrrrr]

I got both and love both for different reasons. Legend for the autentic minimoog sound, the filter, polyphony, unison. RePro-1 for the effects and sequencer mainly.

Effects and sequencer.

Guess all that work on the filter was a waste.

Not sure if I like the filter behavior when the resonance is cranked up.

How does the "bass loss" sound different between both at same resonance, taking into account that Pro-One resonance has far wider range? I guess Minimoog resonance goes to about 60% of Pro-One resonance, so I guess you'd have to compare Minimoog all up to Pro-One at about, well a tad right off middle position.

Maybe. Legend can be tweaked for a higher resonance range in the back side though. But, it doesn't seem to get to RePro-1's range indeed.

I like this insight from Bigtone studios about The Legend. He talks about its filter behavior there:

hi fellas,

i think it's time for me to chime in here to clear up some stuff.
as maybe some of you know richard from synapse audio and me developed legend.
he did the coding (which was a tremendeous and very tedious effort), i brought the mini (in i must say _exellent_ condition - thanks, till!) and measured it via ear, waterfall diagrams, oscilloscopes and analysers and whatnot and tweaked the "rough cut" to as close as imo one can get. i also made the dry/wet demo comparsion files, which are posted on the propellerheads forum.

the minimoog, although not a very mojo-filled synth as one who only knows it from the myth behind it might think, is very tricky in quite some aspects, that, if you do not put weight on these aspects, lead to a sound that can never reproduce the behave of the minimoog.

the envelopes are complex beasts in terms of behaviour, they have a quite noticable amplitude-spike within the first milliseconds, which flattens as soon as the attack and the decay are raised (other fully analog synths show that behaviour, too). as you can imagine, _this_ makes the sound _very_ snappy. then there's some kind of dc-overflow in the filter env amount, which has the tendency to rise and add up from a lower point of the amount originally being set up with every keystroke, up until it reaches the full amount that has been set up. to get this behavoir right over the full range of the pots, we did sweat blood.
then there's, obviously the cascaded ladder filter which the minimoog is so famous for, which interacts with several filter-internal gainstages and dc-offsetfactors, of which the typical, characteristic drive behaviour comes from. the vca stage does the rest of the silky and round sound. also, the minimoog ladder, due to some kind of highpass in the feedback of the filter, is flat response at max resonance, down to around 150-100hz (depending on how carefully the original was maintained and serviced), then the resonance rapidly drops off into nirvana. this also is the reason, why the mini handles basses so well, as the resonance, as soon it reaches the first few harmonics of the osc, doesn't overlay these, as it drops away in level at below this frequency.

also the osc shapes _mandatorily_ have to be done perfect, otherwise the filter doesn't behave like in the original. the square and the two pulses were really hard and crucial, but the hardest was the triangle - because in the late versions of the model d (83/84) were _far_ away from a real triangle shape - strange enough the older versions were way closer to a triangle.

then the pink noise, which, when used for frequency/filter frequency modulation, is filtered down in the control path only to some kind of red noise, was also very crucial. if you want fm that sounds close to a minimoog, the osc behaviour as well as the red noise has to be quite acurately modelled, otherwise it will sound _nothing_ like a minimoog.

there' s plenty of stuff i could go on about, but you might understand what i am trying to say.
i myself owned three minis, one from 76 and two from the last ones in the 80s.

now as i was deeply involved in the development of legend i can tell you that up to now there is _no_ emulation of the minimoog coming so close as legend does - in all aspects. richard did a einstein-like job on this, sitting here in my studio day after day, programming like a maniac. but of course you don't have to believe me (of course you might think i'm biassed) - just listen to the dry comparsion wav files i did once they're on the synapse audio site, ready to be downloaded or get them from the link of the propellerheads forum (i believe someone posted the link to these here in this thread), if they're still there, and judge for yourself. and get the demo, once it is out and fiddle around with it.
i can only say, that legend sounds and behaves nearly identical to the minimoog we had here, and as i stated before, it was in excellent condition and well serviced.

the video demo which kevin made is a very nice one, but i can see some users wanting something completely different, when they have the sound of a minimoog in mind, so for them a rather contemporary edm/bigroom demo might be a red flag. but believe me - legend delivers.

so, to sum it up, if you are after the minimoog-sound/behave for your daw, legend is the closest to get there. while i know all minimoog emulations there are, and some of them are great synths in their own right, they fail when it comes to some of the above stated aspects, which make a great part of the minimoog sound (even monark fails f.e. deeply in the noise fm modulation). and on top of it legend offers quite some tweaking possibilities, that an original minimoog only gives you, if you open it and tweak the screwpots. and it's polyphonic - so _that_ is unique, as there obviously never was a polyphonic minimoog.

now there you have it.

[zerocrossing]

Is there something in Legend other than polyphony that makes Repro-1 seem limited?

I mean, when people say "limited", do they mean lack of specific features or do they talk about the limited use for them due to lack of polyphony?

I'm seriously interested in this because I had been of the opinion that Repro-1 is an extremely "unlimited" specimen of its kind, because ModMatrix, Velocity, flexible effects and stuff. If in comparison a Minimoog emulation such as The Legend is considered "more flexible" in terms of architecture, I'd wonder how people come to that conclusion unless they indeed mean unison and poly features.

Yeah, I don't get the "limited" criticism at all. In many ways it's far more flexible than Legend. Maybe it's the Seqential style modulation UI that confuses people. It isn't very clear at first. (Not your fault) I remember scratching my head for a bit when I first encountered a Prophet 5. I think the way Dave presents it on the 6 is a lot better.

But honestly, this thread is ridiculous. Both plugins have sonic quality that is beyond reproach. Deciding on which one is for you is a personal matter but I spent zero time debating that. I bought both.

[Elektronisch]

Is there something in Legend other than polyphony that makes Repro-1 seem limited?

I mean, when people say "limited", do they mean lack of specific features or do they talk about the limited use for them due to lack of polyphony?

I'm seriously interested in this because I had been of the opinion that Repro-1 is an extremely "unlimited" specimen of its kind, because ModMatrix, Velocity, flexible effects and stuff. If in comparison a Minimoog emulation such as The Legend is considered "more flexible" in terms of architecture, I'd wonder how people come to that conclusion unless they indeed mean unison and poly features.

For me Unisono does make it a bit limited aside poly mode.

[Elektronisch]

Only one is polyphonic, so The Legend wins ... for me personally, it's [Repro-1] a little too expensive and too limited in terms of polyphony ...

I find The Legend more "versitile", because of polyphonic mode and unison. ... RePro sound is great, very characteristic and i love it, but it lacks for me poly mode to be versitile ...

Repro-1 is ok but for me too limited and I have not found a usage in my music. The Legend is a great synth with useful additions like the polyphonic and unison mode which makes this synth more versatile for today's needs.

this is some of the dumbest shit i've seen all day. unreal.

Why? in real life when working on projects, for me Poly does add to creativity.

For example in one of the songs i made a main riff sound out of 3 keys and distortion. It was totaly an accident by playing by default ment to be mono sound in 3 keys. As we all know distorted chord isnt the most pretiest sound in general. Just one of many examples when you are in creative state making a musical piece in a track.

Sometimes by trial and error things just do work. And for me when selecting instrument its quite important to have in poly because who knows right? Luckily most of instuments are poly these days.

For casual sounds, bass, pluck, RePro 1 is unlimiting and i love it for that.

[martinjuenke]

I don't think Legend is intended for people trying to make a living from sound design, but for people who simply want the authentic Minimoog sound in software, even if they just make the usual bubble synth bass with it.

And why are some people so keen to have poly mode with its Minimoog emulation? That's NOT authentic!

[fluffy_little_something]

I don't think Legend is intended for people trying to make a living from sound design, but for people who simply want the authentic Minimoog sound in software, even if they just make the usual bubble synth bass with it.

And why are some people so keen to have poly mode with its Minimoog emulation? That's NOT authentic!

You don't have to turn it on...