NOIZ app: Anyone can make a dance track in 10 minutes

[Frantz]

Well, you still need to be able to play melodies in real time to be able to make something like that. Just because guy in this video can, doesn't mean everybody can too.

It's force to scale with quantize plus you can fix any mistakes afterwards. You don't have to be a virtuoso to do this.

[Frantz]

I have mixed feelings about this app. They've managed to distill the essence of something like Ableton Live into an extremely minimal interface which is actually capable of creating whole songs on a phone. That is pretty impressive.

On the other hand, they've managed to encapsulate the formula for an extremely formulaic genre into a neat and tidy package which requires no artistic skill and offers no risk of artistic failure. This is the McDonald's style of making music.

I agree completely. The developers are very clever but they are making formulaic dance music so easy to produce that an 8 year old could probably master this. It will become boring quickly but then they will probably sell lots of expansion packs with new sounds and genres.

[Frantz]

Not saying the next leading light in dance music will exclusively use this app. But as a example of an app specifically for a phone, rather than an infuriatingly tiny iteration of a desktop paradigm, this works. And already more full-featured than some of Propellerhead's mobile offerings, for example.

I understand your point but do we really need phone apps for everything? Would you write a novel on your phone? Maybe, if you are doing something serious and creative, it doesn't have to fit on a phone.

[morelia]

I understand your point but do we really need phone apps for everything? Would you write a novel on your phone? Maybe, if you are doing something serious and creative, it doesn't have to fit on a phone.

Problem is there are people out there that don't understand an iPhone is not a serious workstation. I spend days or longer recording and mixing backing tracks with drums, bass, layered guitar tracks and synth tracks, all for original songs using the best plugins I can find or afford. My musical partner/vocalist doesn't understand why I can't do this on an iPhone. We actually argue about it. He will show me something his children have done which sounds complex but is just several loops playing together, all from a package of loops that are designed to fit with each other. In his world there is not a huge difference between that and what I do for our music. It drives me mad but he's a good person, can write lyrics I like and has a good voice.

[waiting man]

Geez, you guys must be frustrated...some untapped pelvisness.

[Chapelle]

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[morelia]

Geez, you guys must be frustrated...some untapped pelvisness.

Well it's not the latter but I'm definitely frustrated. I'm sure if all my dreams came true this app and the topic it has resulted in would be a long way down the list of my concerns.

Actually I just read that more people crave a good night's sleep than sex so I'm not sure how valid that sex causes frustration argument is. At least not as a general assumption across the population. A more suitable statement might be ".........must be frustrated...would be great if life wasn't preventing you from meeting your physical downtime needs".

[nineofkings]

I understand your point but do we really need phone apps for everything? Would you write a novel on your phone? Maybe, if you are doing something serious and creative, it doesn't have to fit on a phone.

Problem is there are people out there that don't understand an iPhone is not a serious workstation. I spend days or longer recording and mixing backing tracks with drums, bass, layered guitar tracks and synth tracks, all for original songs using the best plugins I can find or afford. My musical partner/vocalist doesn't understand why I can't do this on an iPhone. We actually argue about it. He will show me something his children have done which sounds complex but is just several loops playing together, all from a package of loops that are designed to fit with each other. In his world there is not a huge difference between that and what I do for our music. It drives me mad but he's a good person, can write lyrics I like and has a good voice.

To be frank, I don't see that as the manufacturers' fault. There's IKEA and then there's carpentry, and it's fine for them to exist at the same time. There's Burger King and there are steakhouses, and it's fine for them to exist at the same time. It's even fine to recognize that, in some way, the techniques that allow Burger King to exist had to come from valuable technological advancement. But people who care about a quality product can tell the difference.

I'd be mad if Burger King overran all real restaurants in my state, but this app's existence in no way stops anyone from making unique and passionate music. There always have been and always will be dilettantes. (And people like me who wanna use the word dilettante but have to google the spelling)

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I understand your point but do we really need phone apps for everything? Would you write a novel on your phone? Maybe, if you are doing something serious and creative, it doesn't have to fit on a phone.

Problem is there are people out there that don't understand an iPhone is not a serious workstation. I spend days or longer recording and mixing backing tracks with drums, bass, layered guitar tracks and synth tracks, all for original songs using the best plugins I can find or afford. My musical partner/vocalist doesn't understand why I can't do this on an iPhone. We actually argue about it. He will show me something his children have done which sounds complex but is just several loops playing together, all from a package of loops that are designed to fit with each other. In his world there is not a huge difference between that and what I do for our music. It drives me mad but he's a good person, can write lyrics I like and has a good voice.

To be frank, I don't see that as the manufacturers' fault. There's IKEA and then there's carpentry, and it's fine for them to exist at the same time. There's Burger King and there are steakhouses, and it's fine for them to exist at the same time. It's even fine to recognize that, in some way, the techniques that allow Burger King to exist had to come from valuable technological advancement. But people who care about a quality product can tell the difference.

I'd be mad if Burger King overran all real restaurants in my state, but this app's existence in no way stops anyone from making unique and passionate music. There always have been and always will be dilettantes. (And people like me who wanna use the word dilettante but have to google the spelling)

But this is a top-down viewpoint

You are someone who has a wider skill-set, but that can see the benefit of this app, even while acknowledging it's huge limitations. The view looks very different if you are coming to this from the other angle i.e that of being promised all the spoils and riches that come with you being the next top dance producer (Have you read their itunes copy), from the 'hit' you've made on this free app, between 'Angry Birds' sessions

As hard-to-believe as it might seem, there really are going to be kids who will never see the worth in anything that makes the process of being a musician any harder than apps like this.

I came from dubbing between two cassette recorders, and have been through many different setups since then. That gives me the same top-down view of ios apps, that allows me to marvel in such things as 'Gadget' etc, but it's a perspective that's lost, these days.

It has everything to do with lamentation (not only for the loss of the wider perspective, but also of the very real devaluation of the end product as a result of this tech, and the way in which it is promoted), and nothing to do with snobbery. I really have no feeling of superiority, for having come via the route I have. I just lament that people are missing out on so many wider experiences that are part of being a musician, producer etc.

Anyway, I have downloaded it. I have vowed to not buy any apps this year, but 'free' is ok. I haven't got around to trying it yet, but the fact it is universal already speaks against a selling point I might have given it

And yes, due to convenience, cost etc. there are people who will never buy furniture from anywhere but IKEA, and never eat anywhere but Burger King. Now they will be able to sit in their blandly-furnished homes, eating bland food, while listening to bland music they've made on their phones

[tehlord]

I had Dance Ejay on a laptop in the 90s


Where's the progress?!?!?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

A lot of snobbery in this thread !!
Making music, the domain of the elite and stupid.

Nothing to do with snobbery

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So much that is wrong with the world is encapsulated in apps like this

You literally defined snobbery right there

Did you get your definition of "literally" from the same dictionary as you took your definition of snobbery?

Either way, you're wrong.

You made an incorrect assumption based on one sentence, and rather than asking me to explain what I meant, you just doubled-down on your bullshit accusation

Snobs like you are what is so wrong with the world right, go away mr elite music maker.

Still digging down on that false assumption, huh?

Given your replies in the "2017...iOS...coming apps " thread, I can see your accusations of snobbery as projection. You seem to be just out looking for a fight, and I have no interest in taking your bait

[AnX]

You can be an instant producer with this app. No skill required.

I think thats the most non music app ive ever seen, producing the most generic drivel ive heard in a long time.

Should sell very well.

[Cinebient]

Roli Blocks and their Noise app isn´t really better but it´s what they focus on.....mass market.
Everybody is a DJ or so.
Funny that this is called Noiz....must be the name!
I mean i like some of my little apps but these kind of apps are not my thing.
Next you just get one big random button to create an album

[alexfoxy]

Developer here!

You're all entitled to your opinion of course, but why don't you listen to what people are making on the app before judging. It's not all just four on the flour house...

Here are some interesting tracks I picked off our Featured list:
https://noiz.ee/s/YqCu4CiAornoVt4v1InFjZk0
https://noiz.ee/s/nTBQoZov22E1Mr4rQRSyxF6v
https://noiz.ee/s/jZzaj2Q3dAIipJ92ZEpncZIw
https://noiz.ee/s/ULr0kvdQIQerXmbxRwae9aeI
https://noiz.ee/s/Xkb0qAHUINc11cYvcU4lms0d
https://noiz.ee/s/YZYOtah3s1LqexC0hTIIYc30

Sure you're not gonna be sending them to get mastered and released on a label but they're still music and people have put a lot of effort and thought into them.

Most of our users have never made music before and I think giving them an opertunity to get started is really cool. Even for some producers it offers an interesting way to lay out a sketch for a song.

Sure it's not gonna fit into everyone's work flow but don't hate on it just because it's trying to do something different. Our goal isn't to dumb music making down, it's to take a fresh approach and to try and make it exciting again. I think that mission statement got lost somewhere along the way!

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[Aleatoriac]

First they took are Dad Gum Jobs
Now they take our HOBBIES?

(Hurls smart phone to the ground and stomps on it - nay JUMPS up and down on it until its bits no longer remain detectable at Planck scale)