The Legend vs repro-1

[elxsound]

Does this all mean you won't do the Cat?

Honestly, I'm not sure anymore.

I'd love to do it, but you can see for yourself how it's impossible to argue about the viability of a mono synth. I liked the idea of doing mono synths, but it doesn't seem to sit well with the world out there.

But is it the aregurments or has sales been affected?

You can say that. I bought Re-Pro 1 not because that its a mono synth, but because Urs mentioned they might do p5 for users who bought the mono synth.

If there would be no mention about upcoming P5 i wouldve passed 99% no matter how much i would love to support U-He. Im sure im not the only one who wouldve passed if P5 wouldnt be mentioned.

Thats not a smart reason to buy something.

Someone saying they might do something is vastly different than saying they will do something.

That's a personal issue you'll have to resolve.

[ghettosynth]

Diva is $179. Repro1 is $99.

You get the essence of what, 5 synths in Diva? (All of which are also 'accurately modelled)You also get polyphony. All for an extra 80 bux.

I can't speak for Urs, I do not have his data, obviously, so I can only go from what theory that I've studied. However, I don't think that your logic is necessarily what people will apply. They will simply think of them as two different poly synths with different features where one is much much cheaper than the other. If that's not enough, I suspect that some might even prefer Repro-5 under the impression that it's a more accurate model of a vintage poly than Diva.

On the other hand, when Repro-1 is purely mono, their decision will not be between the two if they want a vintage polysynth model.

So to avoid sabotaging Diva sales, I agree with Urs that he probably will have to raise the price of Repro-5 to the range of Diva, something like $149 (number pulled out of my butt).

[EvilDragon]

Does this all mean you won't do the Cat?

Honestly, I'm not sure anymore.

I'd love to do it, but you can see for yourself how it's impossible to argue about the viability of a mono synth. I liked the idea of doing mono synths, but it doesn't seem to sit well with the world out there.

There are always people that will like a monosynth. Also, didn't you say that RePro-1 had the most successful opening, even moreso than Bazille? (Also, didn't you also say that Cat would be MUCH easier to model than Pro-One?)

Well I hope that sales are happening. It'd be a sad world if u-he didn't do a ReCat

[AnX]

Diva is $179. Repro1 is $99.

You get the essence of what, 5 synths in Diva? (All of which are also 'accurately modelled)You also get polyphony. All for an extra 80 bux.

I can't speak for Urs, I do not have his data, obviously, so I can only go from what theory that I've studied. However, I don't think that your logic is necessarily what people will apply. They will simply think of them as two different poly synths with different features where one is much much cheaper than the other. If that's not enough, I suspect that some might even prefer Repro-5 under the impression that it's a more accurate model of a vintage poly than Diva.

On the other hand, when Repro-1 is purely mono, their decision will not be between the two if they want a vintage polysynth model.

I assume these ppl you talk of are complete idiots then....seriously....who doesnt check what they are buying....the quality, the price, the alternatives....its not rocket surgery. If its my money, i want to spend it wisely, so i research such stuff.

[Urs]

Does this all mean you won't do the Cat?

Honestly, I'm not sure anymore.

I'd love to do it, but you can see for yourself how it's impossible to argue about the viability of a mono synth. I liked the idea of doing mono synths, but it doesn't seem to sit well with the world out there.

But is it the aregurments or has sales been affected?

If it's just the arguments then those are easy enough to ignore.

It's both. Repro-1 had an amazing start, but we can't ignore that it's probably only living up to half its potential. The amount of feedback is just too evident (hence our attempt to fix it with a P-5 emu).

If one does the math, we can't afford not to concentrate on Diva. While there is a market for nice price mono synths, it simply can't compete with Diva's bracket. We sometimes have to think like a company and then sometimes we can't do just as we wished we could.

[Elektronisch]

Does this all mean you won't do the Cat?

Honestly, I'm not sure anymore.

I'd love to do it, but you can see for yourself how it's impossible to argue about the viability of a mono synth. I liked the idea of doing mono synths, but it doesn't seem to sit well with the world out there.

But is it the aregurments or has sales been affected?

You can say that. I bought Re-Pro 1 not because that its a mono synth, but because Urs mentioned they might do p5 for users who bought the mono synth.

If there would be no mention about upcoming P5 i wouldve passed 99% no matter how much i would love to support U-He. Im sure im not the only one who wouldve passed if P5 wouldnt be mentioned.

Thats not a smart reason to buy something.

Someone saying they might do something is vastly different than saying they will do something.

That's a personal issue you'll have to resolve.

If you would fallow whole discussion at Uhe thread im sure you would change your opinion.

I had my share play with RePro but i wrote my main motivation for that. Also im happy to support Uhe. But without that motivation i wouldve not bought it.

[elxsound]

Does this all mean you won't do the Cat?

Honestly, I'm not sure anymore.

I'd love to do it, but you can see for yourself how it's impossible to argue about the viability of a mono synth. I liked the idea of doing mono synths, but it doesn't seem to sit well with the world out there.

But is it the aregurments or has sales been affected?

You can say that. I bought Re-Pro 1 not because that its a mono synth, but because Urs mentioned they might do p5 for users who bought the mono synth.

If there would be no mention about upcoming P5 i wouldve passed 99% no matter how much i would love to support U-He. Im sure im not the only one who wouldve passed if P5 wouldnt be mentioned.

Thats not a smart reason to buy something.

Someone saying they might do something is vastly different than saying they will do something.

That's a personal issue you'll have to resolve.

If you would fallow whole discussion at Uhe thread im sure you would change your opinion.

I had my share play with RePro but i wrote my main motivation for that. Also im happy to support Uhe. But without that motivation i wouldve not bought it.

No I wouldn't. I would never buy anything based on someone saying what "might" be included.

Anyway, it seems you will be getting a Repro-5. Still, not a good reason to purchase especially if there where technical reasons why it could not be completed. That's happened plenty of times with many different developers and companies.

[Urs]

It'd be a sad world if u-he didn't do a ReCat

If we do only one more, the Cat it is!

As for sales, we have yet to see where it goes. We sold about as many Repros in the first month as we sold Divas in her first year, but then we sell more Divas today than we did back then. In a rough picture, Diva and Hive have gone up in sales, Zebra stays constant, ACE and Bazille have declined to a lower level (but not died). We'll see where Repro is heading, and what it all means.

[ghettosynth]

Diva is $179. Repro1 is $99.

You get the essence of what, 5 synths in Diva? (All of which are also 'accurately modelled)You also get polyphony. All for an extra 80 bux.

I can't speak for Urs, I do not have his data, obviously, so I can only go from what theory that I've studied. However, I don't think that your logic is necessarily what people will apply. They will simply think of them as two different poly synths with different features where one is much much cheaper than the other. If that's not enough, I suspect that some might even prefer Repro-5 under the impression that it's a more accurate model of a vintage poly than Diva.

On the other hand, when Repro-1 is purely mono, their decision will not be between the two if they want a vintage polysynth model.

I assume these ppl you talk of are complete idiots then....seriously....who doesnt check what they are buying....the quality, the price, the alternatives....its not rocket surgery. If its my money, i want to spend it wisely, so i research such stuff.

Look, I'm not trying to insult anyone, but, people don't always make rational choices about anything. This is just basic marketing/product development stuff. If people always did what you're suggesting then I'm pretty sure that nobody would ever buy some soft-synths. People come at the question with the information that they have at the time. I would be willing to bet that there are far fewer truly educated customers than you are giving credit for here.

What you are also underestimating is how much impact the price differential will have on people's decision making process. If the differential is large, people will apply all sorts of rationalizations to justify spending less. On the other hand, if there is just a small difference in price then people will justify the higher price because of the increased utility. In any case, once they have the one Uhe vintage polysynth, there is going to be some degree of satisfaction and they won't necessarily feel the need to buy the next one, especially if it is much more expensive.

[Teksonik]

it's impossible to argue about the viability of a mono synth.

In my opinion it's impossible to make a cogent argument for more monosynths (especially when you consider most synths can be set to mono mode). But that's just my opinion, others will no doubt disagree.

I'm sure plenty of people would buy $50 monosynth emulations with the U-He logo on them. But then wouldn't $50 monosynths compete against Repro-1 ?

Just take it as a compliment if you release a monosynth that people like the sound so much they want more polyphony.....

[Teksonik]

In any case, once they have the one Uhe vintage polysynth, there is going to be some degree of satisfaction and they won't necessarily feel the need to buy the next one, especially if it is much more expensive.

And if they have bought one Uhe monosynth where is the need to buy another....and so on.....

[elxsound]

In any case, once they have the one Uhe vintage polysynth, there is going to be some degree of satisfaction and they won't necessarily feel the need to buy the next one, especially if it is much more expensive.

And if they have bought one Uhe monosynth where is the need to buy another....and so on.....

Yeah it probably wasn't the greatest of points as obviously, Diva, Zebra, A.C.E., Bazille, and Hive are all polysynths and yet we want more.

I know it's a more complicated of an issue in terms of pricing but even with a good explanation there are too many people who still won't accept it simply because it's not what they want to pay.

[.jon]

Why no fish choice?

[elxsound]

Why no fish choice?

A single ReCat ate it.

[ghettosynth]

In any case, once they have the one Uhe vintage polysynth, there is going to be some degree of satisfaction and they won't necessarily feel the need to buy the next one, especially if it is much more expensive.

And if they have bought one Uhe monosynth where is the need to buy another....and so on.....

Always true which is why price matters so much. Every new synth that you buy decreases your need for more new synths, especially in the same segment. If you purchased the first poly for $99 you have a psychological hurdle to climb to spend $179 on the next one.

This is easy to understand, right? We were just talking about a related phenomenon the other day with no-brainer sales.

If they are all priced similarly in a segment, however, it hurts less which choice people make that first time. Some people will buy more, some won't. Some will buy all of them. When they go to make that second choice though, they are already conditioned to believe that the value of a Uhe vintage poly model is more than $100.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue? A $49 mono may affect the sales of a $99 mono from the same vendor if they are perceived as similar. I didn't hear Urs say "we were going to price Cat at $49", I heard simply that a low price bracket was a possibility for this idea of interesting mono-synths.