The Legend vs repro-1

[Ingonator]

I hug you all....even if it doesn't help
Make music, not war. I know it's not easy sometimes.

Somehow i thought that this one (spoken by actor Mark Hamill) would fit here:
https://audioboom.com/posts/5471405-the ... uote-1?t=0




The original text was a Twitter post by Donald Trump...

[Richard_Synapse]

Not sure why this is an either-or question, both are totally different synths and both cost a tiny fraction of the corresponding vintage-analog hardware. In my mind it's a no brainer for fans of vintage-analog gear to simply get both.

Btw I briefly tested Repro-1, while we don't have the Pro-1 here as a direct reference we do have lots of Curtis filter chips on breadboards, and ihmo Repro-1 really nails that sound, so great job

Richard

[woodsdenis]

Good lord, why is there even a debate about two milestones in the VST world. Personally I prefer the Legend because of the Moog sound which I love over the Sequential one. Both are awesome in completely diffent ways.

Oh and.jon get a life.

[exmatproton]

People here still take .jon seriously??

[ghettosynth]

You're actually implying that you designed the synthesizer circuit which you copied, "with all the quirks of the original" using component level modelling. Whatever, yeah.

If you think there was no creativity involved, then think again. I think there was more creativity and out-of-the-box thinking required to build Repro-1 than on any of those posh modern synthesizers with all their off-the-shelf stock DSP modules.

Ironically, (as of course you know) Dave Smith didn't design all that much of the Pro-1 in any case because it uses the canonical "off the shelf" analogue modules of the day. I have immense respect for Dave Smith, however, I never thought that he was in the same class as Bob Moog, Doug Curtis, or Dave Rossum as an analogue designer. He was good at the systems level aspect and digital design, but all of the fundamental building blocks are made from CEM chips. It's not much different than building a SynthEdit synth from the standard blocks.

[shroom81]

This is a stupid thread and should be deleted.

[Ingonator]

Not sure why this is an either-or question, both are totally different synths and both cost a tiny fraction of the corresponding vintage-analog hardware. In my mind it's a no brainer for fans of vintage-analog gear to simply get both.

Hi Richard,

actually this is mostly what i and others here had already mentioned earlier.

The polyphony discussion is another story and the lack of this in Repro-1 does not make it a bad synth at all. Actually the synth engine is really powerful.

Anyway i always was a big fan of the Minimoog so having The Legend for me is more essential than Repro-1 which did not hold me back from having both here. Anyway if i had to choose between those two i guess i would still go for The Legend, no matter if it misses certain features included in Repro-1 or not. Opposing to the Minimoog i never owned or played a real Pro One so based on that i have a totaly different realation to The Legend than i have to Repro-1.

Another note concerning the poyphony discussion:
The fact that The Legend also includes a poly and Unison mode does not seem to make the mono mode sound less authentic. Even if a polyphonoic Repro-1 would sound differnt to a Prophet 5 would still make this interesting especially if there would be nothing exactly like that in hardware.
FWIW I do understand why Urs decided to not include a poly mode with Repro-1 but i would lie if i would tell i would not have been interested in it.
At the same time i would still be interested in a 100% proper Prophet 5 emulation (even more than in a polyphonic Repro-1), even better if this would have some advanced features like enhanced polyphony, different Unison modes (including poly Unison) and some effects.


Overall with The Legend, Repro-1 and others like Gforce Oddity 2, Xils Lab PolyKB III (upgrade from v2) and also a real analog Novation Bass Station II (that has a very powerful engine where FWIW i would wish to have a polyphonic version and/or a proper software emulation too...) i am very happy with what i got last year in terms of analog synths.

[Cinebient]

This is a stupid thread and should be deleted.

KVR would be empty if you delete all stupid threads.
(Half of my posts too maybe).
But all forums have this "problem".
At least we mostly still humans. Some forums get assimilated by spam-bots.

[srcodling]

Do people around here really know so many people in real life who love computer-synth-technology that they can come and hate on each other here?

Personally, KVR is where I come from because it's the place where people DO share the same interests I have, as there are very few of them that I know in real life!!!

[wagtunes]

Do people around here really know so many people in real life who love computer-synth-technology that they can come and hate on each other here?

Personally, KVR is where I come from because it's the place where people DO share the same interests I have, as there are very few of them that I know in real life!!!

In all my years I've met maybe one other person in real life who shares my love for synths and he's moved far away. Today, I know absolutely no one.

[Coockie1176ln]

This is a stupid thread and should be deleted.

It isn't stupid nor smart. But you´re free to imagine that threads could have some sort intelligence. Personally i don´t think threads can think anything nor have a brain. LOL
This thread has some good information right now. Definitely got some user feedback on this matter that are non experienced of hardware and those whom are and that gave their opinion. Now opinion doesn't matter
then the one whom will use either off em. But since you are here and bashing on a thread why not go calm down and have a coffee and enjoy what you like. No need going into a thread with a title that doesn't seem to occur to you interesting.

[Urs]

it just appeared to me that you make a bit of snippy side blow on some other devs every once in a while.

That is true, but I am very selective as to who gets my stabs, and what for. Sometimes I may even have a high opinion on one department of a company but despise another one's actions. I also sometimes find some trends awkward, particularly in synth ui evolution (uhm, the opposite).

[egbert101]

This is a stupid thread and should be deleted.

No, it's a beautiful thread and should be framed.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Maybe off topic,

but I cannot hear such analog magic in "The Legend". It for sure is a great synth, but Repro-1 simply sounds analog or whatever, kind of magic saturation or micro modulation, I don't know what it is, but I can hear it. Also the legend doesn't seem to sound so different to Dune 2. It sounds very clear and constant, maybe too constant for being a instant analogue-emulation.

Also I should do my work instead posting here pointless subjective opinions.

[.jon]

You're actually implying that you designed the synthesizer circuit which you copied, "with all the quirks of the original" using component level modelling. Whatever, yeah.

If you think there was no creativity involved, then think again. I think there was more creativity and out-of-the-box thinking required to build Repro-1 than on any of those posh modern synthesizers with all their off-the-shelf stock DSP modules. Gosh, there are companies now who employ Ph.D people to do their DSP and they don't get anywhere near what we did.

No, that is not what I said or think. There's obviously tons of talent and skill involved in developing a VSTi plugin of this quality, but in the case of Repro-1 the synthesizer you copied was designed by Dave Smith. I know you understand the difference between these things. He deserves the credit for that sound you faithfully aim to recreate, he deserves the credit for creating the reputation of the original that fuels your plugin sales.