The Legend vs repro-1

[Aliens]

Your conclusions have been reached using false logic.
The main failing is to assume, for everyone, that because some want more, it means they are unhappy with what they already have, which certainly isn't always the case.
It's quite logical that some of us may just want a particular product to be developed to compliment our existing purchases. That doesn't imply or equate to unhappiness and is no predictor of a lonely death.

[zerocrossing]

Thing is, when I demoed Repro-1 to Dave Smith, he didn't seem concerned at all. He just wondered why someone would do that to themselves (as - if I remember that correctly - he told me it's easier to do hardware than software). We had a few drinks and lots of laughs.

I can see why. First off, DSI doesn't make a VCO based analog mono based on the Pro 1. The Pro 2, is a very different instrument... so much so that the name seems wrong. It seems to share almost as much lineage with the Evolver than the Pro-1. Second, for those who want to own hardware, they're going to do it, regardless to whether or not there's a software equivalent. I didn't sell a single analog mono when I bought Repro-1 (or Legend for that matter) and when your Prophet 5 emulation comes out, I'm sure I'll keep my Prophet 6. For the fans of the Pro 1, it seems like they're still selling on eBay for between $700 and $1000.

If anything, I bet products like yours boost his sales, or at least future sales, as people starting out making electronic music would be more inclined to start off inexpensive and use software, and later decide they want to augment things with a hardware synth for live use. They are already sold on the Dave Smith name via U-He, so that's going to be one of the first places they'll look. It's all good.

[zerocrossing]

Your conclusions have been reached using false logic.
The main failing is to assume, for everyone, that because some want more, it means they are unhappy with what they already have, which certainly isn't always the case.
It's quite logical that some of us may just want a particular product to be developed to compliment our existing purchases. That doesn't imply or equate to unhappiness and is no predictor of a lonely death.

So true. I was just talking about my set up with my wife (she saw and old pict before I had more hardware synths) and the first thing I said was that I was super happy with my current setup. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy talking about software synth development. It's a nice waste of time when I can't be playing music.

[Aliens]

Yep, totally happy with my synths, too, and it's a good place too be
Will still buy more, especially good ones, and particularly ones I've dreamt of owning as a child.
Especially a MemorU-hemoog

[brainzistor]

After reading 4-5 last pages of this thread, I just had to make this

[Coockie1176ln]

Would love u-he to build a real hrdware analog synth! Since working with figuring out analog for vst im sure they know what to bring out in an hardware synth to make it a killer. Also just to be able to touch their synths wohld be a blast

[EnGee]

For me, I really would love to see cooperation between u-he and Synapse Audio in future projects Why not! Even big companies like Mazda and Ford are cooperating

For example, a synth that is bread and butter or general purpose mixing all the good between Dune 2 and Hive. That would be a killer synth. Not only, but another great vintage emulations are very welcomed.

Anyway for Dune 2/Hive synth, I'm almost sure that it's little bit too late as already Richard is working (I think) on Dune 3. But there are tons of new ideas (and even they might re-issue Orion)

[exmatproton]

For me, I really would love to see cooperation between u-he and Synapse Audio in future projects Why not! Even big companies like Mazda and Ford are cooperating

For example, a synth that is bread and butter or general purpose mixing all the good between Dune 2 and Hive. That would be a killer synth. Not only, but another great vintage emulations are very welcomed.

Anyway for Dune 2/Hive synth, I'm almost sure that it's little bit too late as already Richard is working (I think) on Dune 3. But there are tons of new ideas (and even they might re-issue Orion)

Xils, u-he and synapse would be a killer combo, imho

[EnGee]

For me, I really would love to see cooperation between u-he and Synapse Audio in future projects Why not! Even big companies like Mazda and Ford are cooperating

For example, a synth that is bread and butter or general purpose mixing all the good between Dune 2 and Hive. That would be a killer synth. Not only, but another great vintage emulations are very welcomed.

Anyway for Dune 2/Hive synth, I'm almost sure that it's little bit too late as already Richard is working (I think) on Dune 3. But there are tons of new ideas (and even they might re-issue Orion)

Xils, u-he and synapse would be a killer combo, imho

Yes indeed. Xils has a good experience with vintage emulations.
I should check their synths but I'm avoiding recently iLok related products because I have too much protection and I don't want them to clash (Waves, e-licenser, ..etc). I have no iLok related product installed now.

[valhallasound]

We needed both the money and the knowledge. I didn't know the Pro-One was the most difficult to model synth when we started. It only occurred to me later, once we measured the voltages, parameter ranges and everything.

Example: The CEM 3320 filter chip is the least documented, nearly fully black box filter chip out there. Much has been written about Moog Ladders, diode ladders, MS-20 filters, OTA cascades, State Variables... one can harvest different models, different approaches, the whole maths for any of these filters from the internet. But there's nothing - zilch - about the 3320, other than a patent with a lot of seemingly cryptic information, and no exact documentation of part values. None of the known filter topologies sounds like it. It took a while to crack.

Q for Urs: do you own the back issues of Electronotes? I feel like there was some discussion of the Curtis chip internals at some point within Electronotes, but I might be totally wrong with regards to this.

Sean Costello

[nordickvr]

Yes indeed. Xils has a good experience with vintage emulations.
I should check their synths but I'm avoiding recently iLok related products because I have too much protection and I don't want them to clash (Waves, e-licenser, ..etc). I have no iLok related product installed now.

Iirc, Xils offers the choice between eLicenser and iLok.

[Urs]

Q for Urs: do you own the back issues of Electronotes? I feel like there was some discussion of the Curtis chip internals at some point within Electronotes, but I might be totally wrong with regards to this.

Sean Costello

I read a lot, but can't remember a detailed article like, say, a Tim Stinchcombe analysis of a filter circuit.

The patents however are quite educating, along with a working unit, a signal generator and a modern oscilloscope.

[valhallasound]

Q for Urs: do you own the back issues of Electronotes? I feel like there was some discussion of the Curtis chip internals at some point within Electronotes, but I might be totally wrong with regards to this.

Sean Costello

I read a lot, but can't remember a detailed article like, say, a Tim Stinchcombe analysis of a filter circuit.

Nothing that detailed in Electronotes. There are some great filter analyses, but these tend to be more "ideal world" versus discussing specifics of the circuit. In the world of Electronotes, the Moog filter and the 3320 would have the same characteristics. Then again, the analysis of the 4-pole cascade filter was done in 1974, using pen, paper and a TI calculator, so ya gotta cut Bernie some slack.

The more interesting parts for this conversation are the articles where the various SSM and CEM chips are introduced. These chips were pretty exciting in the DIY synth world of the late 1970s.

Anyway, it is definitely buying the complete back issues of Electronotes, if for nothing more than for some casual reading around the office. I bought these back in the late 90s, as well as a low cost binding machine. I still crack these open from time to time.

Sean Costello

[EnGee]

Yes indeed. Xils has a good experience with vintage emulations.
I should check their synths but I'm avoiding recently iLok related products because I have too much protection and I don't want them to clash (Waves, e-licenser, ..etc). I have no iLok related product installed now.

Iirc, Xils offers the choice between eLicenser and iLok.

Oh! Good to know! Thanks! I'll check then poly kb demo now

[exmatproton]

Yes indeed. Xils has a good experience with vintage emulations.
I should check their synths but I'm avoiding recently iLok related products because I have too much protection and I don't want them to clash (Waves, e-licenser, ..etc). I have no iLok related product installed now.

Iirc, Xils offers the choice between eLicenser and iLok.

Oh! Good to know! Thanks! I'll check then poly kb demo now

you should! polykbIII is awesome!