The Legend vs repro-1

[ghettosynth]

So I see the value of monosynths in the market as a way of allowing one of the best devs in the business to create more of something that's actually missing, great models of analogue synths.

Missing ? How many mono analogs do we need ? Like I said every synth I own now has a mono mode. The "great analogue synths" are polyphonic with a few exceptions such as over priced and under powered modulars.

I'm not going to be able to convey it to you if you don't already appreciate it really. It's not about what you own, it's about what's missing in the marketplace. Respectfully, I disagree with you.

But if mono only synths still amuse you then party on......I outgrew them long ago......

I thought that too at one point. Then I realized that my thinking was a bit simplistic and I learned what really mattered in a synthesizer. It's not as simple as "just switch it to mono" because the choice to make something poly impacts the entire development cycle and, consequently, your business process. I would be willing to bet if Urs realized that he was going to get this much flak that the P5 might have been the original goal but different choices might have been made to constrain the synth for current CPUs and we wouldn't have such a detailed synthesizer that we have in Repro-1.

[Urs]

@jon

Also, if you hadn't noticed, I have met Dave Smith several times and he's been very helpful in the design of Repro-1. He patiently answered a bunch of my question.

I don't know if he holds any copyrights on the Pro-One anymore other than the Sequential name, but even if and even though I didn't ask for it in particular, I'm sure I had his blessing. Hadn't I had this, he had plenty of occasions to express otherwise.

I don't quite get where all of this is coming from so suddenly, as I'm sure we're not the first company which expresses their love for vintage synths this way, and thrives on it - in the mutual interest of everyone in this industry. Have you been crusading these other companies with the same eager to "set things straight" or whatever your agenda is? How about companies that sell sample sets of "Italian Grand" pianos? Are you onto them as well? Why on earth have you picked us when the largest part of the industry (including the music that's made with it) is based on "I'm sorry, this work is influenced by so many people who have been influenced by so many people before them, you might notice that, but alas,I can either throw it away or just not tell you who inspired it".

[sfxsound3]

Why on earth have you picked us when the largest part of the industry (including the music that's made with it) is based on "I'm sorry, this work is influenced by so many people who have been influenced by so many people before them, you might notice that, but alas,I can either throw it away or just not tell you who inspired it".

For companies making 1:1 copies of classic hardware products, and even more so if these are digital hardware like the latest Relab, there is a moral issue and I would think a legal issue if there is reverse engineering going on. Let's face it, you're doing a Prophet-5 clone because it is cult classic and because you are certain you'll be selling vsts like hot cakes. In academia, copying other people's work without proper quotes/references/authorship is considered plagiarism and punished very harshly. And you're doing blatant plagiarism for money.

[Elektronisch]

@jon

Also, if you hadn't noticed, I have met Dave Smith several times and he's been very helpful in the design of Repro-1. He patiently answered a bunch of my question.

I don't know if he holds any copyrights on the Pro-One anymore other than the Sequential name, but even if and even though I didn't ask for it in particular, I'm sure I had his blessing. Hadn't I had this, he had plenty of occasions to express otherwise.

I don't quite get where all of this is coming from so suddenly, as I'm sure we're not the first company which expresses their love for vintage synths this way, and thrives on it - in the mutual interest of everyone in this industry. Have you been crusading these other companies with the same eager to "set things straight" or whatever your agenda is? How about companies that sell sample sets of "Italian Grand" pianos? Are you onto them as well? Why on earth have you picked us when the largest part of the industry (including the music that's made with it) is based on "I'm sorry, this work is influenced by so many people who have been influenced by so many people before them, you might notice that, but alas,I can either throw it away or just not tell you who inspired it".

i feel that guy .jon is has just a d*ck personality who likes to have fun by trying to insult others and make others sad. Im sure if not Urs then another target would be like Synapse ect.

[Elektronisch]

Why on earth have you picked us when the largest part of the industry (including the music that's made with it) is based on "I'm sorry, this work is influenced by so many people who have been influenced by so many people before them, you might notice that, but alas,I can either throw it away or just not tell you who inspired it".

For companies making 1:1 copies of classic hardware products, and even more so if these are digital hardware like the latest Relab, there is a moral issue and I would think a legal issue if there is reverse engineering going on. Let's face it, you're doing a Prophet-5 clone because it is cult classic and because you are certain you'll be selling vsts like hot cakes. In academia, copying other people's work without proper quotes etc. is considered plagiarism and punished very harshly. And you're doing blatant plagiarism for money.

I dont think you can make alot of money on that.

If you would make Access Virus Ti clone, well on that i am 200 percent sure you would make money. Because all those old synthesizers are more for synth enthusiasts and old musicians wheres new generation screams Virus Ti, Sylenth blabla bla.

[Urs]

And you're doing blatant plagiarism for money.

Why don't you send us your name and address and we find out in court?

(hint: You might have just committed a felony)

[.jon]

I don't have any agenda or crusade, you're just the only plugin developer with 20K KVR posts and you seem to get your panties twisted really easily. Why does it bother you so much what I think? Maybe you've gotten too used to all the sycophants? This is a discussion forum.

And yes, situation is the same with Legend and Monark etc, there's nothing illegal about it. And Dave's told many times he's not interested in making VSTis or even hardware remakes of his old work, so there's no issue with someone else making them. If you like copying someone elses work and it makes people happy, there's no reason to get butthurt over one dissonant voice.

All I said that a copy is a copy, not an original synth design. I put more value on original work that adds new chapters to the history of synthesisers. And I've also said it before that you're perfectly capable of work of that caliber, and if I have any agenda, it's getting all the talented developers to create new amazing instruments.

[recursive one]

If you would make Access Virus Ti clone, well on that i am 200 percent sure you would make money. Because all those old synthesizers are more for synth enthusiasts and old musicians wheres new generation screams Virus Ti, Sylenth blabla bla.

I'm pretty sure Adam Szabo, who is the only guy who ever tried to make an actual Virus clone, is doing this more of enthusiasm rather than for money. Virus is no more the hottest thing everybody dies for as proven by the nearby thread.

Btw, not necessarily a clone but a Virus TI inspired synth made by Urs would be my wet dream but it seems that he doesn't see this as an interesting task whatsoever.

[spunkmuffin]

Very dramatic. I would love to see someone imprisoned for arguing about a synthesiser.

[Elektronisch]

If you would make Access Virus Ti clone, well on that i am 200 percent sure you would make money. Because all those old synthesizers are more for synth enthusiasts and old musicians wheres new generation screams Virus Ti, Sylenth blabla bla.

I'm pretty sure Adam Szabo, who is the only guy who ever tried to make an actual Virus clone, is doing this more of enthusiasm rather than for money. Virus is no more the hottest thing everybody dies for as proven by the nearby thread.

Btw, not necessarily a clone but a Virus TI inspired synth made by Urs would be my wet dream but it seems that he doesn't see this as an interesting task whatsoever.

Well KVR is more enthusiast then musicians/producers community, believe me there are so many musicians/producers, especialy the starting ones who wants to get on Virus is insane. Alot of big names and collegues in the dance music scene crave for software virus that would solve all the hardware problems (errors, latency, sound glitchs ect). Hell i would love to see a perfect clone of virus because the only reason my virus ti is getting more dust then getting used is because of hardware problems

[egbert101]

Very dramatic. I would love to see someone imprisoned for arguing about a synthesiser.

No need for prison, just phone for a psychiatrist for hysteria.

[Taron]

Hey, I just saw "Urs" as latest post and had to check it out. Urs, I'm almost sure this isn't necessary, as you're getting a lot of love from everywhere for all the right reasons and maybe even some wrong ones , but I just wanted to jump in and give you some more, just so you don't get too annoyed by adrenaline-junkies (didn't mean .jon, btw! He's just dry and outspoken, hehe), who just enjoy to provoke with their "righteousness".

Old synthesizers are by now like old works of art. To try and revive their beauty is an honorable and very common thing and should very well be encouraged, which includes linking such efforts with the perversion of our current societal system, which has us depend on money not only to survive, but also to be validated and deemed worthy to do so.

I salute your abilities and those of your team and keep looking up to your consistent excellence! (Hmmm...too much? Nah... )
If Urs is getting upset "so easily", it only means he's still human and not jaded, despite 20k posts. That's kinda nice, I think.

[Urs]

I put more value on original work that adds new chapters to the history of synthesisers.

And all I say is, your view is much too simplified. Some of those "chapters" might be forgotten quickly while maybe Repro-1 and what will follow from it might resonate much longer, in new chapters - which inevitably will also include progressive designs, not just "reproductions".

[egbert101]

I don't see emulating a hardware classic synth from the seventies or eighties into software in 2016 as a 'copy' but rather as a work of art. I hope developers keep doing software emulations of vintage classics, effects units and so on, like they have been doing since the dawn of VSTs.

[spunkmuffin]

Maybe .jons agenda is to dishearten & panic Urs so much that he gives up in the Cat etc. I wonder who .jon works for...sfxsound3 too, hmm.