The Legend vs repro-1

[egbert101]

Maybe .jons agenda is to dishearten & panic Urs so much that he gives up in the Cat etc. I wonder who .jon works for...sfxsound3 too, hmm.

Donald Trump probably.

[AnX]

Its a bit like gucci handbags on a market stall for $10

[recursive one]

Hell i would love to see a perfect clone of virus because the only reason my virus ti is getting more dust then getting used is because of hardware problems

100% same here, I'm 100% happy with the sound it produces but despite TI works better for me than for many others it's not completely free of issues and I would pay whatever is the asking price for a softsynth having similar overall sound character and comparable feature set. It's really strange that no one has tried to do it before Adam. Spire is obviously to some extent inspired by TI but only to some extent.

As for Repro, i have to say that this synth doesn't interest me much per se but the demos I've heard surely sound good, I hope Urs will use the knowledge he gained when making it in the development of Zebra3. Same about Legend and possible Dune3 actually.

[Urs]

Hey, I just saw "Urs" as latest post and had to check it out.

Thanks for your kind words!

Thing is, I often feel like a musician who posts his songs in a forum and some people just post "utter crap". I don't think musicians typically do that to other musicians, not sure. At least, I wouldn't.

Some people however seem to have no moral problem when brushing off a hell of a lot of work as utter crap, if that "crap" is software. They think it doesn't hurt feelings? They think they don't need to show any decency in their public display? - I think not. It sickens me when this happens to me - and to others. If you look at my company forum, I moderate threads where my competitors get bashed this way.

It's about the choice of words and tone. If people don't respect my stuff there are still ways to express things objectively, as people commonly do. Everything else often has a lot in common with hate speech, which is something that disgusts me and urges my response.

[EnGee]

I don't see emulating a hardware classic synth from the seventies or eighties into software in 2016 as a 'copy' but rather as a work of art. I hope developers keep doing emulations of vintage classics, effects units and so on, like they have been doing since the dawn of VSTs.

+1

Actually I find the new emulations very cool in sound. It is like some new 'pixelated' games, so nice to look at and play with. IMO, they are very original recreations of the old with some 'new' add ons

[.jon]

I put more value on original work that adds new chapters to the history of synthesisers.

And all I say is, your view is much too simplified. Some of those "chapters" might be forgotten quickly while maybe Repro-1 and what will follow from it might resonate much longer, in new chapters - which inevitably will also include progressive designs, not just "reproductions".

I'm looking forward to those.

And to all those who think I'm Trump, a dick or otherwise bad person, I think Urs/whole U-he team is one of the best VSTi developers, and they've made one of the few virtual synths worth having alongside Reaktor- but it's not Repro-1.

Expressing negative or unpopular opinions doesn't give you the right to insult the person, you need to try and learn to deal with opinions contradicting your own with counter-arguments instead. You're categorically forgiven, however, there's better things to do than continuing this.

[Taron]

That's why excluded you immediately from the "adrenaline-junky" label, .jon, because I've noticed that you generally just write what you're thinking without insulting people. That doesn't make you particularly easy to encounter for those, who face your judgement , but it gives beautiful warmth to when you express your liking, which you do in fair proportion!

The trouble is the cold, nearly psychopathic aggression of those, who can't wait to act out their delusions of superiority by unsolicited accusations and insults. Luckily it's only a few, but they still poop into the punch-bowl, as the saying goes.

And why are the sheeples relentlessly propagating the Trump motive, when they should really be afraid of Soros and the likes.

[egbert101]

[Lotuzia]

@exmatproton and @nordickvr:

I have demoed PolyKB III and it is really very good synth, but it felt too much analog for me! I mean the instability in the sound is all over the place (at least this is what I felt from the presets). Anyway, it has its special uses of course, but at the moment I'm not looking for Polyphonic synth really. I need a synth for cutting and sharp analogish leads and basses. I already have Monark, but I want one with a different character, so I bought ....

RePro~1!! Yes!!

Yes, I had an offer to buy it for $79 (with taxes) but I didn't do it. I feel glad even if I pay now extra (~ $113 USD). The synth really deserves that. Now, if I sell something, I will be buying The Legend (I already got Dune 2 ).

So, Let me feed my mind that manual tonight. My mind says "Yammy!!"

Edit: Some clarification about The Legend. My expression was wrong!

Just to say that there's an analog drift parameter/knob in the PolyKB III/II. If you zero this parameter, you'll instantly get a less alive-analog/more sterile sound you might be after at the moment.

[EnGee]

@exmatproton and @nordickvr:

I have demoed PolyKB III and it is really very good synth, but it felt too much analog for me! I mean the instability in the sound is all over the place (at least this is what I felt from the presets). Anyway, it has its special uses of course, but at the moment I'm not looking for Polyphonic synth really. I need a synth for cutting and sharp analogish leads and basses. I already have Monark, but I want one with a different character, so I bought ....

RePro~1!! Yes!!

Yes, I had an offer to buy it for $79 (with taxes) but I didn't do it. I feel glad even if I pay now extra (~ $113 USD). The synth really deserves that. Now, if I sell something, I will be buying The Legend (I already got Dune 2 ).

So, Let me feed my mind that manual tonight. My mind says "Yammy!!"

Edit: Some clarification about The Legend. My expression was wrong!

Just to say that there's an analog drift parameter/knob in the PolyKB III/II. If you zero this parameter, you'll instantly get a less alive-analog/more sterile sound you might be after at the moment.

Thanks

[Ingonator]

Those who miss some instability and/or saturation in certain patches of The Legend could have a look at the "Drift" parameter at the back panel, the Drive and Feedback at the main GUI and the "Saturation" parameter at the upper right of the back panel. The Drive parameter is one of my favorite features while i rarely use it at more than 50% (mostly aroudn 25%-40%).

Besides those the back panel offers multiple other options to adjst the sound to your liking. This also includes the Early/Late Model revisions switch that changes between the early Minimoog revision and the later one where the differences ar mostly foud in the Oscs and the Osc waveshapes.


A description of the Drive and Feedback from the manual:

Drive

After all sound sources have been mixed, the composite signal is sent to the filter. The Drive
knob adjusts the level of the signal going into the filter. This is an important parameter for the
overall sound character, since the filter saturates or even distorts the signal at higher Drive levels.
Note that even a low Drive setting can result in audible saturation, if all three oscillators are
active. In cases where this is not desirable, simply lower the oscillator volumes.
Drive

Feedback

Some vintage synthesizers have a jack which mixes external sources to the filter input.
This feature can be used to route the master output back to the filter input, creating a feedback
loop that way. The results can be interesting and range from subtle saturation effects to chaos.
The Feedback knob in The Legend emulates this classic feedback loop, and allows to control
the amount of the output signal being fed back to the input. When set to zero, there is
no feedback.

Description of the Drift parameter at the back panel:

Drift

The Drift parameter controls random pitch changes over time, for each oscillator separately. Set
to zero, none of the oscillators will drift. The best way to find a suitable drift value is to enable
two oscillators set to the same volume, then sustain a note and listen to how the oscillators beat
over time.

Description of the Saturation parameter at the back panel:

Saturation

After a sound has passed through the filter, it runs through the amplifier stage, where
the amplitude envelope is applied to the sound. This stage is called voltage-controlled amplifier
(VCA) in analog synthesizer and saturates the signal The amount of saturation can be changed
by using the Saturation knob. Note that the effect can be subtle and depends on how much gain
has been applied previously via the Oscillator volume controls and the Filter Drive knob.

[martinjuenke]

This is a stupid thread and should be deleted.

No, it's a beautiful thread and should be framed.

Ok printing now

Still printing ...

[whyterabbyt]

Expressing negative or unpopular opinions doesn't give you the right to insult the person, you need to try and learn to deal with opinions contradicting your own with counter-arguments instead.

What utter hypocrisy.

[StudioDave]

... I often feel like a musician who posts his songs in a forum and some people just post "utter crap". I don't think musicians typically do that to other musicians, not sure. At least, I wouldn't.

Quoting Ezra Pound, "The critic is good when he praises, bad when he blames."

I don't review music and products I don't really care for. I will review things I'm not necessarily attracted by but can see their utility beyond my own needs/purposes. But if I truly don't care for a product I'll let someone else make the call.

Good criticism is always constructive. Style in language is not inherited. People have differing opinions and express them differently, sometimes with hilarious and sometimes with hideous results. In my experience, face-to-face encounters rarely devolve into total bullshit.

It was once asserted that probability ensured that a million monkeys at a million typewriters would eventually recreate the works of Shakespeare. The Internet has proved that the assertion is not true.

Having said all that, back to the OP: I haven't tried Legend yet, but Repro1 is a rock-solid master blaster here at Studio D. And please, Urs, please keep it mono.

And btw: If anyone ever feels bad about getting slagged by critics, check out Nicolas Slonimsky's Lexicon Of Music Invective. My favorite, from Max Reger to an unwelcome critic:

"Dear Sir, I am now sitting in the smallest room of my house. Your review is before me. Shortly, it will be behind me."

Best,

dp

[wagtunes]

You know, I'm looking at the title of this thread again and I'm saying to myself "Why are we comparing two synths that have almost nothing in common?"

This is indeed an odd thread.