KVR Audio

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:03 pm

If i had to guess, i would say that the new pricing model will have very little, if any, impact on their sales and customerbase. KVR is hatin', tho.

ere2learn · Post by **ere2learn** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:12 pm

All bitwigs social media has more or less the same sentiment,not just KVR haters

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:14 pm

Well, i don't see social media too different from internet forums. Or the internet in general. It's full of weird folks with minority opinions, opposing to the "real" userbase (or the "real" people, even). For example, i haven't really seen Hans Zimmer comment on Cubase pricing on the internet yet.

ere2learn · Post by **ere2learn** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:16 pm

Hans gets it for free,like he gets filters put in synths,not really a typical user

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:25 pm

chk071 wrote:Well, i don't see social media too different from internet forums. Or the internet in general. It's full of weird folks with minority opinions, opposing to the "real" userbase. For example, i haven't really seen Hans Zimmer comment on Cubase pricing on the internet yet.

Does he upgrade? That promo for his masterclass suggests he uses an old version on an old computer.

Anyway... that's a different topic.

I do think this will hurt them. It's roughly the same model as ProTools, just no penalty for a lapsed subscription, but yet a higher price for annually renewing to receive updates and support.

ProTools is still considered an industry standard, so they have that going for them... but Bitwig does not have the same reputation or requirement.

Taurus · Post by **Taurus** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:26 pm

chk071 wrote:If i had to guess, i would say that the new pricing model will have very little, if any, impact on their sales and customerbase. KVR is hatin', tho.

I was a Bitwig fan, but I guess the opposite.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:33 pm

elxsound wrote:
chk071 wrote:Well, i don't see social media too different from internet forums. Or the internet in general. It's full of weird folks with minority opinions, opposing to the "real" userbase. For example, i haven't really seen Hans Zimmer comment on Cubase pricing on the internet yet.
Does he upgrade? That promo for his masterclass suggests he uses an old version on an old computer.

Frankly, i don't know. He may even have people configuring his computer stuff, or consider the "stable" route the best, i.e. sticking with the stuff he knows works for him. I would even guess that's a rather common thing. I've seen a few artists using a pretty old Cubase version. On the other hand, i have hardly ever seen anyone with a non-current Reason version. I guess it depends on the used host too.

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:34 pm

That's just crazy.... Bitwig will become more expensive to use than Pro Tools, Cubase, and Ableton Live (suite version although featurewise it is comparable to Live Standard).

In addition to email support and bug fixes, no one knows how quickly they will add new features. The features you want might get released after your 12 months are up, so you'll feel compelled to buy in again... and why wouldn't they do that... they have to make money, no?

InLight-Tone · Post by **InLight-Tone** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:55 pm

This is so sad, the lost potential to take on Live's monopoly on the non-linear DAW...

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:14 pm

InLight-Tone wrote:This is so sad, the lost potential to take on Live's monopoly on the non-linear DAW...

Time will tell ....

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:32 pm

fedexnman wrote:
InLight-Tone wrote:This is so sad, the lost potential to take on Live's monopoly on the non-linear DAW...
Time will tell ....

Live X announcement at Namm may be timely for Abelton.

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:50 pm

SLiC wrote:
fedexnman wrote:
InLight-Tone wrote:This is so sad, the lost potential to take on Live's monopoly on the non-linear DAW...
Time will tell ....
Live X announcement at Namm may be timely for Abelton.

Indeed, a Live X announcement sooner rather than later, e.g at Namm, would be the coup de grâce.

Especially when you consider the Ableton policy when these new major version announcements are made (how you can buy the current version and get the new one 'free' when it's released).

Andywanders · Post by **Andywanders** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:17 pm

JoseC. · Post by **JoseC.** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:24 pm

Rappo Clappo wrote:Let the hipster producer use BWS. Bitwig have betrayed their community, you must have some Stockholm syndrome or simply be such a douche as they are to support them. Just such an unthrustworthy person. Or a hipster, which comes down to the same person in this case

A Stockholm syndrome is having lost Reason?

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:51 pm

InLight-Tone wrote:This is so sad, the lost potential to take on Live's monopoly on the non-linear DAW...

In your dream.
Live was a sleeping giant until BWS came out.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ableton reinvent its workflow and takes a lead beyond reach.
They have the money, talent, workforce and a huge user base.

bitwig 2 is here